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Posted 7 months ago Some police departments require officers give suspects written copies of the Miranda warnings and obtain written waivers. Other departments do not. What are the pro and con arguments for giving written warnings and obtaining signed waivers? Do you think comprehension of Miranda instructions is properly assessed in most cases? Do you think most people just know their rights and can recite the Miranda warning by heart? |
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| Posted 7 months ago I believe written waivers should be mandatory at this point, in order to alleviate any confusion as to whether or not the suspect was actually presented with Miranda at all. Even more beneficial is a videotape or audio tape of the waiver being read and the subject verbally articulating they understand their rights. I do believe comprehension of Miranda is properly assessed in most cases by the Officer and most suspects are already aware of their rights. However, with the influx of illegal immigrants and seasonal migrant workers into this nation, Law Enforcement has been forced to take a more remedial approach in explaining one's rights. Whereas an Officer could once read Miranda verbatim, there is often a more detailed and lengthy explanation of those rights afforded to the suspect. In cases where the suspect has strong English skills, it is still imperative the Officer read and cover Miranda in the same fashion, as it will most likely be challenged in a defense motion to suppress the suspect's confession or any statements made after the Miranda was issued. With a videotaped copy, written waiver signed and full disclosure by the suspect regardless, a defense attorney will have a hard time influencing a judge to suppress those statements. Their tactic will most likely switch to the Probable Cause for the arrest in the first place, as opposed to any evidence gained afterwards. "Show class, have pride, and display character. If you do, winning takes care of itself." - Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant "America was not built on fear." "America was built on courage, imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand. " - President Harry S. Truman |
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| Posted 7 months ago I have them sign and initial the Miranda paper I carry saying they got their rights read, they understand them, and That theywish to talk to me at this time WITHOUT a lawyer present. I think its still up on case law, but I may be still new.. The Miranda is like the implied consent warning for DUI's as long as I read it I am regaurded from violating peoples rights. Its up to them to understand it. However You know if you have a mexican who doesnt " habla any englace".. then you might wanna have one of your home boys who translate's read it to them. just CYA.. thats all its about .
"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion."
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| Posted 7 months ago Miranda is required to be audio taped in MN. I think notifying a suspect, verbally, of his Miranda rights is good enough. There are too many suspects that become stubborn, not because they wouldn't answer any questions, but because they just don't want to sign anything. for example: I've known plenty that refuse to sign...even after being told that this is just a notice of trespass, not an agreement of the contents. |
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| Posted 7 months ago Ssweetp0922 says ... Some police departments require officers give suspects written copies of the Miranda warnings and obtain written waivers. Other departments do not. What are the pro and con arguments for giving written warnings and obtaining signed waivers? Do you think comprehension of Miranda instructions is properly assessed in most cases? Do you think most people just know their rights and can recite the Miranda warning by heart? At the time, we were to advise the person we woulkd read their Miranda rights. And we would read from the PD issued card. On the reverse side, the Implied Consent was explained. I could recite both by memory, but didn't want an attorney to try and blindside me. I also would advise the subject that I was recording the proceedings. Mini cassettes were cheap. |
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| Posted 7 months ago Anytime the guy is in custody and being questioned/giving a statement, make sure you give Miranda. I have had DUI statements tossed because the cop forgot to Mirandize. If you can get it in writing, great. In MN, always tape it if possible. If you have a signed document or a tape, the defense can't muddy the waters by saying that he wasn't mirandized or didn't understand his rights. |
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| Posted 7 months ago In MN our great state supreme court handed down the "scales" decision years ago. Based on this case we MUST (at least) audio tape any and all post-miranda statements. In department we audio tape ALL statements, suspects, victim's, witnesses, etc. All thats is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. |
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| Posted 7 months ago I think most departments have the policy of having the bad guy sign a written miranda, is to get all officers to do it the same way. Some DA offices like this method. I don't care for it. More paper. Just what we need is more forms and paperwork. If the Court cannot accept my word that I read the suspect or arrestee the miranda, they can feel free to dump the case. I always put the exact words I read the subject in my police report. There is no exact required wording for the miranda warning as long as you meet the requirements handed down by the supreme court. You can word it any way you want to. Most departments like to standardize the miranda warning and waiver. |
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| Posted 7 months ago huslmoc says ...
A DUI is an arrest, not a traffic infraction. In Colorado it is a misdemeanor crime. Therefore, if you arrest and question the driver, Miranda applies. |
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| Posted 7 months ago I always have them sign a Miranda Sheet. Here in NYC juries take the word of a murder over that of an NYPD officer, so it is always best to get it in writing. |
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| Posted 7 months ago Miranda is like CPR these days. Depending on where you are and what day of the week it is, there's been a change. Nothing stays still in LE and this is among the worst. It will all depend on a millions things, so take your pick of criteria and settings because it will varry from State to State, and will depend on something as small as a signature to some defense attorneys. The best thing, as has been stated before, CYA. Read it from the card, explain it from the expanded version on the back of the card. Make sure you are in the car or close enough so the squad cam picks up clearly what you are doing, and then have them sign the consent form. That's a lot of hu-ha to go through, and you can always adjust your mix to meet Department regulations and the local DA demands, but if the case matters and you want the arrest to stick, do it all. As far as do people understand their rights? Sure they do. Everybody has watched or watches the TV Cops do their thing. Everyone can recite "You have the right to remain silent..." Unless you forget a step that covers your a** that their attorney can use to get them off the hook, then they haven't got a clue what you were talking about. Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
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| Posted 7 months ago JIMROC says ...
JIMROC is right, a DUI is an arrest. I think I may have caused confusion with my last post. Roadside questioning (have you been drinking, where are you going,) that is a part of all DUI stops is admissable 99% of the time. The statements I have lost due to a lack of Miranda were taken in the station, after arrest and testing, when the Officer was getting more information about the defendant's drinking and driving conduct. The defendant was in custody, not free to leave, being questioned and so- Miranda has to be used. I wish courts would acccept the word of an Officer that they gave Miranda. However, too many courts are not willing to do that. I know more steps and paperwork are a pain, but they help to solidify the case. I love it when I can show a defense attorney his drunk client on video tape.
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| Posted 6 months ago It's very simple:
Custody + Interrogation = Miranda
Get them to wave in writing if you can. Just makes a better case in court. No doubt about the fact they signed the waver. No signature, it's your word againts theirs, and many times, their word is better than ours! |
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| Posted 6 months ago I think that most anyone who can breathe on their own is aware of their Miranda rights...it's almost moot to have to instruct someone in their rights at this point. Heck, even my kids have watched enough Law and Order to know what their Miranda rights are. It's just a shame that criminals will use the excuse that they didn't understand or weren't instructed to get out of a crime.... |
