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New gun laws urged in wake of officer murder
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Posted 3 months ago May 8, 2008 -- City and state officials called Thursday for Congress to reinstate a ban on assault weapons, delivering an impassioned plea the day before police were to bury an officer killed on duty by a high-powered rifle. Mayor Michael Nutter said last weekend's "assassination" of Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski, who was shot at least five times by a Chinese SKS rifle while responding to a bank robbery, was "truly shocking."
"We all know that he did not stand a chance," said Nutter, speaking at a City Hall news conference. "It's a high-powered rifle that no one should have their hands on." The comments came about 12 hours after a third suspect, Eric Floyd, was captured in an abandoned rowhouse in southwest Philadelphia. Floyd, 33, was caught following a five-day manhunt after police said an FBI agent received a tip. Brought to police headquarters in Liczbinski's handcuffs, Floyd was charged with murder, robbery, conspiracy and related offenses. His girlfriend, Tonya Stephens, 37, was found with him and charged with obstructing justice, hindering apprehension and conspiracy. Another bank robbery suspect, Levon Warner, 38, was arrested Sunday and charged with murder, robbery and conspiracy. Suspect Howard Cain, 33, was shot to death by police on Saturday during a post-robbery chase. An area mosque has refused a request to hold funeral services for Cain, a Muslim, because of his criminal conduct. On Thursday, Nutter and Gov. Ed Rendell released a copy of a letter they sent to members of the state's congressional delegation asking for the federal ban on assault weapons to be reinstated. A ban enacted in 1994 was not renewed after lapsing in 2004. "Passing this legislation will go a long way to protecting those who put their lives on the line every day for us," Rendell and Nutter wrote. "There is no excuse to do otherwise." Rep. Joe Sestak, D-Pa., who is co-sponsoring legislation to reinstate the ban, said police officers should not face the same types of weapons that U.S. soldiers come up against in Iraq. "I would like to see that we not only renew but strengthen the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004," Sestak said Thursday. Rendell also criticized state lawmakers for refusing to pass what he called sensible gun-control measures. He mentioned attending a police memorial ceremony on Monday in Harrisburg, where he said legislators honored officers' service with resolutions even as they refuse to make them safer by passing a law requiring that lost and stolen guns be reported. "The hypocrisy is rampant," Rendell said. Officials acknowledged the federal assault weapons ban would not have included the gun that killed Liczbinski, as it came to the U.S. in 1992. But Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey bristled when told that some gun-rights organizations dispute whether the SKS rifle qualifies as an assault weapon. The gun inflicts wounds so devastating that it should be considered one, Ramsey said angrily. "Then add it to the frickin' list!" he said to sustained applause from officials and other police officers at the news conference. The advocacy group CeaseFirePA has sent letters to Pennsylvania gun dealers asking them to voluntarily refrain from selling the SKS. Also, the city last month passed several local gun-control ordinances - including a ban on assault rifles - despite a Pennsylvania law giving the state sole power to enact firearms regulations. The National Rifle Association has sued, and the case will be in court next week. NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said Thursday that the problem is lack of incarceration, not lack of legislation. "The Philadelphia criminal justice system is a miserable failure and in complete shambles," LaPierre said. "We've got great laws on the books ... if only we would prosecute (criminals) and put them in jail and stop releasing them back to the streets." Also Thursday, a Harrisburg-area teenager accused of providing a handgun used in the bank robbery was indicted on federal firearms charges. Authorities said Levi Swigart, 19, of Duncannon, traded a stolen gun to a drug trafficker for cocaine base on Jan. 26. Swigart was arrested Sunday by Duncannon police and charged with receiving stolen property and theft by unlawful taking. |
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| Posted 3 months ago I wonder what might be accomplished if these do-nothing politicians would put their efforts into solving real problems instead of grandstanding for the media. Let's place the blame for the officers death squarely where it belongs...on the head of the POS who pulled the trigger. Quit trying to blame the firearm!!! I mean really....do we blame the car for a DUI fatality? Be nice. Be professional. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet. Misery minus me equals humor. |
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| Posted 3 months ago rsteade says ...
You Can Be As Tough As Nails and Still Be A Gentleman |
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| Posted 3 months ago rickjudy says ...
BUMP TO BOTH RESPONSES LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL PRESERVED BODY BUT RATHER TO SLIDE IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING "HOLY SHIT....WHAT A RIDE" |
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| Posted 3 months ago Once again, liberal Democrats want to use the death of a police officer to support their own agenda. They ignore that fact that the firearm was used illegally in the first place, and was used by a felon who is not permitted to possess a firearm. Do they really believe that criminals will be stopped by gun laws? No, I don't think that they believe it, nor do they care. It suits their liberal plank and that is all that matters! "You can't lead from behind" Gen'l James Longstreet, CSA |
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| Posted 3 months ago They also love to get as many violent criminals "re-habed" and back on the street as fast as they can. We're locking up the dumba$$ stealing copper and tires, writing bad checks, a tagging, and are releasing the multiple offense predators because we don't have enough room left in the prisons. I don't understand how banning guns addresses this core problem at all. It certainly won't stop the animals that are released from shooting all the law abiding citizens that now give up their guns and it won't stop them from shooting Police Officers. These are the same politicians that will then find a way to shut down Police Department requests for patrol rifles with enough firepower to go head to head with the hardened and heavily armed killers. |
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| Posted 3 months ago I bet they bought that AK47 at Walmart. The assault rifle ban stopped all the criminals from having them the last time they tried it too(ROFL). Yea right. Does anyone need a Governor, we don't want Rendell anymore. Oh that's right he is a good friend of Hillary, he is granstanding to get a cabinet position. Motorcops Even Scare Other Cops! |
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| Posted 3 months ago Once again the ironclad thinking of a politician. more gun laws that would not prevent the crimials from getting one. Nutter, Bloomberg and all the others who think this is the way to go, think again, it won't stop the skells from getting guns, very few if any go to a gun dealer to purchase there weapons of choice. "Fear is an instinct. Courage is a choice."Rear Admiral Joseph Kernan USN
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| Posted 3 months ago Again all three of these men were convicted felons so they should have never had a gun. Did the laws concerning that stop them? No! They still possessed a gun, in this case SKS. Going by this example, it is obvious that gun laws are futile and only impact law abiders. How about arming every able bodied citizen with a gun and give them training? Then allow them to be able to carry the gun where ever they wished. I would have a feeling that if someone went into a bank full of armed citizens to rob it instant justice would be served. Violent crimes would go down. The taxpayer money spent on court would decrease and everyone could "sleep with their doors open" once more. |
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| Posted 3 months ago They don't need new gun laws. They just need to enforce those already in place. Damn liberal judges and prosecutors who fail to enforce the existing laws are only enabling these P'sOS. Why not have officers start carrying weapons that will get the job done. If the bad guys are armed with automatic weapons why not do the same for LE. This damn stroke them and rehabilitate them crap needs to stop. Hell I'll go to prison because there they give you 3 hots, a cot and cable TV. Medical and such is taken care of, I can get drugs if I want them ...... A return to the chain gangs , busting big rocks into little rocks, digging ditches with a shovel, 2 hots, a bologna sandwich and an actual cot might discourage some of the repeat offenders. Also carrying out death penalties. Rather than years and years of appeals on appeal to be completed in a 1 year time frame and that's it. |
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| Posted 3 months ago That's great and what are they going to do when they find out that the guy did not buy his gun legally, so it'snot going to effect him. KSP494
PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY! |
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| Posted 3 months ago Couldn't agree more with everything you all said. Rest in peace Sgt. Liczbinski. My thoughts and prayers are with the officer and his family. |
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| Posted 3 months ago Here we go again!!! Ugh! 2 Cor. 5:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold all things have become new." |
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| Posted 3 months ago I, for one, am tired of these politicians standing on the bodies of fallen officers to push their own liberal agenda. All thats is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. |
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| Posted 3 months ago Lets get real, the ban will not help, crooks do not go by the law they will still get them, just like a felon cannot get a gun right, we all know how that works Only God knows his plans for all of us and why we might meet in life |
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| Posted 3 months ago Banning this or any other type of weapon does nothing. Criminals are CRIMINALS. By definition, they don't abide by the law. You think they are going to give a shit if it's illegal to have this type of gun? Ending the sale of them does not good either. There are enough of these weapons on the street to supply and army.
Ban this, what's to stop a criminal from having a normal hunting rifle. Those will go threw our vests like hot knife throug butter too. |
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| Posted 3 months ago KSP494 says ...
Hey, we all know that's not really what this is about, so why go cluttering the argument with facts and logic? LOL. This is about banning guns and has nothing to do with "crime control" or the safety of our kids, cops or anyone else. We know it, they know it. As for the sheep? Well, who knows what the masses can be led to believe by politicians looking for a job? |
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| Posted 3 months ago Politicians grandstanding on a police officers grave that has barely been backfilled is DISGUSTING!!!!!! |
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| Posted 3 months ago What makes them think they know how to make us safer? They don't have a clue. To place the blame on the firearm industry, and the NRA is the most absurd statement anyone with common sense can make. Hey you libtard politician how about laying the blame on the convicted felons that commited the crime, or the sated for releasing them, or the judges, lawyers or parole board. Using this as a way to further their political career is sickening. The 94 gun control bill did not stop or slow crime. BUt that is a statistic that does not influence their agenda so it must be wrong. I'm geting a headache. Ya'll be safe. |
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| Posted 3 months ago hcgale says ...
I second that bump well said Broken By Faith Renewed By Sacrifice |
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| Posted 3 months ago Wow, If they had only banned those guns before. That police officer would still be alive. I'm sure that the POS offender would have gladly turned over his illegal weapon to authorities just as they always do. Criminals never use illegal weapon to commit crimes, do they? GIVE ME A BREAK! All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it may be a troll doing an impression of a duck. |
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| Posted 3 months ago May I offer my two cents? I agree with everyone who has said here that what is needed is not more laws it is tougher and more frequent enforcement and stiffer penalties for the a$$clowns who use them to commit violent crimes. New laws are NOT going to faze violent criminals who are hell bent on going into a restaurant say and opening fire. All they do is turn law-respecting, law abiding and good citizens into potential felons. Some of my friends and fellow Bees own their own weapons. None of them use them for anything other than going down to the range and stuff like that. I personally choose NOT to have weapons around my home as I have sticky fingered children who despite being told again and again cannot seem to even keep their paws off my DVD collection. If I did have any weapons they would be under lock and key in the armory at the nearest military installation, to be signed out and signed back in by me. Its an extremely rare instance when laws or police officers are able to prevent a crime, most often they are there to enforce the law and clean up the mess after the crime is committed. If we need new laws it would be to punish the lawmakers and judges for NOT DOING THEIR JOBS and letting the criminals back out on the street after Officer Friendly went to all that trouble to take them OFF the street. Just my 1/50th of a dollar I guess. |
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| Posted 3 months ago These kind of laws only affect the people that follow them. What a waist. I got a law for ya < How about death penalty for anyone who shots a cop to be put into action within 24 hours of capture.... I like that law and it would ave tax payers money !!!!! |




