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Okay, I saw the post about courtesy officer.  Perhaps not sworn position and that is the area of concern? 

formerladycop says ...

Okay, I saw the post about courtesy officer.  Perhaps not sworn position and that is the area of concern? 

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That would be it. I have received more than a few questions about people being verified LEO here on the site and posting answers in Ask A Cop when they are not actually cops. Some as I'm sure you have seen are not even LEO.

nikkochey says ...

I changed this to Ask A cop after FLC answered. FLC feel free to continue in this thread thanks.

 

Ok..thanks.  Maybe his courtesy officer position is a side gig in addition to his college campus sworn officer position?  Who knows.  There is a college district not too far away from me and they let the college campus officers sign up for all kinds of overtime jobs that this other huge department also has access to.

Well, I think that's all I have to say in this thread. 

 

 

His profile is not really especific. Where is he employed at?. Campus, traffic, etc doesn't tell me anything. Family, hobies are secondary to real proof.

i have had alot of questions about how the GOLD STARS are handed out.  there are correction officers with them.  there are dispatchers with them.  and yes there have even been trolls with them.  i was one that questioned weather or not CLOVER should get one when they were first being handed out.  i took alot of heat for that.  hell, for dispatchers and c.o.'s getting it, she definitely deserves one!  i for one believe that if you are not a law enforcement officer, then you should not have the GOLD STAR.  i have been a corrections officer.  i have been a dispatcher.  so please all you co's and dispatchers dont start flooding me with the hate mail.  i am saying nothing negative about your jobs and what you do.  i am just stating that i have been there and done it.  it seems that it was a great idea when it first started, but i believe that the GOLD STARS are being handed out like candy.  hell, if you work for a department, then here you go take one.  just my humble opinion.

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Does this help?

Apartment Complex and Gated Communities:

Courtesy Officer vs. Police Officer

What's in a name?

Over the past several years there has been an increasing use of the title "Courtesy Officer" in apartment properties as opposed to some variation of  "Security".  This shift has been prompted by the belief that a job title change could reduce the property's liability and their tenant's expectations.

The problem lies in the fact that the Courtesy Officer is, by their very nature, a law enforcement officer who is there to provide security functions on the property.  The courts tend to work quickly through the contentions of property management that no "security" is provided even though the primary job requirement of the courtesy officer is that they be currently employed as a police officer.  The fact that they are also provided a reduced rent or rent free apartment in exchange for their services tends to highlight their real purpose.

Courtesy officers provide critical services to the tenants of their properties but the sufficiency of the security provided needs to be clearly reviewed.  One officer cannot adequately provide coverage.  For at least 40 hours a week, they are working their primary job which leaves gaps in property coverage.  While it may be argued that during normal office hours there is staff and maintenance personnel on duty, they still do not possess the powers conveyed upon a police officer.  The foreseeability of crime makes no provision for time of day hence coverage should be managed to cover 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Courtesy officers are usually given verbal instructions regarding their duties and responsibilities but seldom is there a written job description.  Property management should create written duties for the Courtesy Officer especially regarding incident reporting or requests for assistance from tenants.  Property management has a duty to know what is occurring on their property.  This is just a normal course of business for the overall operation.  When it comes to "security"-related knowledge, properties tend to shy away from documentation.  No documentation of incidents is bad.  Documentation with no action taken is worse. 

Regardless of the source of your security efforts (staff, maintenance, tenant security captains) or the title of the job:

  q  Create a list of responsibilities and actions required

  q   Require documentation of specific issues.  Documentation can come in any form from an email to a simple note on blank

                     paper but regardless, ensure all pertinent information is gathered and that there is at least a retention of two years.

  q   Put in place a follow up system for critical issues.  Again, documentation with no action taken yields nothing.

  q   Encourage feedback from residents on areas of concern.  They will certainly call if the sink is backed up.  What is in place for

                      them to report suspicious activity or breakdowns in physical security such as lights and gates.

Read "Modern Manager: A Crime of Opportunity.  Do your most trusted employees work the system?" 

After reading the new information, I came to the exact opposite conclusion. It sounds like to be employed by the complex as a "courtesy officer", he is a sworn police officer for another agency somewhere else nearby, but is compensated (free/reduced rent, etc.) at the complex where he lives, in exchange for handling their internal police needs. Allen705 stated in his post to the effect that he was relieved of the "courtesy officer" position because he was on duty at his regular job, and could not respond to some of the apartment complex calls, so they were going to leave it to the "local" police instead of him.

The article KSP494 posted includes the line:

"the primary job requirement of the courtesy officer is that they be currently employed as a police officer."

I would venture to say that it appears he IS a sworn LEO for the campus police, and the "courtesy officer" for the university's off-campus housing apartment complex where he hangs his hat . At least that was my interpretation.

NYPD_Blue says ...

After reading the new information, I came to the exact opposite conclusion. It sounds like to be employed by the complex as a "courtesy officer", he is a sworn police officer for another agency somewhere else nearby, but is compensated (free/reduced rent, etc.) at the complex where he lives, in exchange for handling their internal police needs. Allen705 stated in his post to the effect that he was relieved of the "courtesy officer" position because he was on duty at his regular job, and could not respond to some of the apartment complex calls, so they were going to leave it to the "local" police instead of him.

The article KSP494 posted includes the line:

"the primary job requirement of the courtesy officer is that they be currently employed as a police officer."

I would venture to say that it appears he IS a sworn LEO for the campus police, and the "courtesy officer" for the university's off-campus housing apartment complex where he hangs his hat . At least that was my interpretation.

 

Yes the article did say that but that was a generic article I found on the internet and the PL member is only a courtesy officer apparently. It would be better if we knew what state this guy was from.

I would say that the site host or a site moderator may have to go right to the source and ask  Allen705 to clarify/update his profile, or ask who "verified" him and how they came to that conclusion. We certainly can't be sure without more information.

KSP494 says ...

NYPD_Blue says ...

After reading the new information, I came to the exact opposite conclusion. It sounds like to be employed by the complex as a "courtesy officer", he is a sworn police officer for another agency somewhere else nearby, but is compensated (free/reduced rent, etc.) at the complex where he lives, in exchange for handling their internal police needs. Allen705 stated in his post to the effect that he was relieved of the "courtesy officer" position because he was on duty at his regular job, and could not respond to some of the apartment complex calls, so they were going to leave it to the "local" police instead of him.

The article KSP494 posted includes the line:

"the primary job requirement of the courtesy officer is that they be currently employed as a police officer."

I would venture to say that it appears he IS a sworn LEO for the campus police, and the "courtesy officer" for the university's off-campus housing apartment complex where he hangs his hat . At least that was my interpretation.

 

Yes the article did say that but that was a generic article I found on the internet and the PL member is only a courtesy officer apparently. It would be better if we knew what state this guy was from.

From the comments on his profile page, it appears he may be in Waco, TX?

Overview



The Courtesy Officer Program allows police personnel who reside in multi-family communities to receive reductions in rent in exchange for non-law enforcement services. Courtesy Officers are encouraged to interact with residents in their communities and assist the apartment managerial staff as necessary, as long as the activities performed could not be construed as part of the employee’s duties as a member of the Greensboro Police Department and are specifically not of a law enforcement nature.



Restrictions



Courtesy Officers:

• Are required to notify on-duty personnel when law enforcement intervention is required.


• Are prohibited from taking any official actions unless necessary to avoid injury or other serious consequences. 


• Should not become involved in neighborhood or domestic related disputes.


• Shall refrain from making arrests or conducting investigations.


• Will not respond to calls for service in the apartment complex in which they reside, unless instructed to do so by police communications.

nikkochey says ...

NYPD_Blue says ...

After reading the new information, I came to the exact opposite conclusion. It sounds like to be employed by the complex as a "courtesy officer", he is a sworn police officer for another agency somewhere else nearby, but is compensated (free/reduced rent, etc.) at the complex where he lives, in exchange for handling their internal police needs. Allen705 stated in his post to the effect that he was relieved of the "courtesy officer" position because he was on duty at his regular job, and could not respond to some of the apartment complex calls, so they were going to leave it to the "local" police instead of him.

The article KSP494 posted includes the line:

"the primary job requirement of the courtesy officer is that they be currently employed as a police officer."

I would venture to say that it appears he IS a sworn LEO for the campus police, and the "courtesy officer" for the university's off-campus housing apartment complex where he hangs his hat . At least that was my interpretation.

 

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I agree with your staement however why list yourself as a courtesy officer if you are a sworn officer some where else?

 That was going to be exactly my next question. If he did in fact have to be an LEO first then why would he claim courtesy officer?

I am a firm believer that if the individual is NOT covered under the provisions of HR218 then he/she is not a certified or verified LEO. In order to meet this standard you must be a SWORN LEO who in his/her duties makes arrests or a retired Officer in good standing whose regular duties included being sworn and making arrests. We do need a system that the only way to be certified or verified here on PL is to either have a already confirmed officer vouch for you or you send in a copy of your credentials including both the badge AND you photo ID that says you are a cop. There will be some that will sneak through but not many and they will probably be exposed shortly anyway.

BuzzKill says ...

Certified Officers are the only ones allowed to be "Courtesy Officers" in my area. As mentioned in another post, this is generally an off duty gig at an apartment complex in which the Police Officer resides. The officer works in the "Courtesy Officer" position for  a reduction in the price of rent.

Right we got that, but if you're an LEO why would you put that you were  courtesy officer on PL?