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What is the most dangerous aspect of foot pursuits?

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I have seen and heard of LEO's engaging in foot pursuits while off duty.  One of which happened at our department last year.  The subject shot and killed my fellow brother. I know several foot pursuits happen when your by yourself what I want to know is what tactics do you use to secure yourself during the pursuit?

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Once your in foot pursuit, your pretty well in the open, and able to be attacked easy by the perp because your trying to catch up. If the perp takes higher ground, then you have to worry about the use of any cover there in case you are attacked by gun fire.


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As my Tact Team leader and FTO said, "Tactics, Tactics, Tactics, but sometimes in this profession it just takes balls", foot pursuits most times are without tactics.

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I agree. You are really subject to ambush whenever you are chasing someone on foot. Often they know the area better than you do and know the best place to ambush you. Tactics does play a great role and even more I think is experience.

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How could you have tactics in the actual foot pursuit , it's such a spontaneous event, you can't plan how somebody is going to flee on foot, some are faster than others, enviroments are different, etc., You can however go over differengt senarios in your head to train yourself, ie., if he does this, I should do this, if he does that I should do this, etc., just my opinion.

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Basically what I meant Sgt. Events and 'what ifs' come at you at every turn and you are constantly thinking about how you would handle the 'what if'. I'm trying to figure out why I would be chasing anyone off duty though.

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I believe adrenaline has a major role in how you act in a pursuit.  Not just what you do during but also the reasons you are chasing in the first place.  Complacency is a killer!  Couple that with adrenaline and most people forget about fear of the unknown and thats when life makes a drastic turn.

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You need to be prepared for the what if’s, you never know what’s around the next corner.

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There is no trick to foot pursuits you have to be prepared for the worst whether you are on duty or off.

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I would think twice about chasing someone while off-duty.........no vest, no radio, no backup, and sometimes no gun!  Not a very smart thing to do if you are lacking these items.

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Our job is all about what if's.  In the academy, I was told not to engage in foot pursuits.  But, I was also told that if I was in foot pursuit, there are tactics, such as remaining to the right of the subject while behind them. Most people are right handed and will not turn around and shoot from their right side, they will shoot over their left shoulder.  Foot pursuits are sometimes necessary, so why don't we discuss those tactics.

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I guess I'm talking about on-duty foot pursuits.  I agree with everyone else about the vulnerability of the off-duty officer in foot pursuits.

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Our job is all about what if's.  In the academy, I was told not to engage in foot pursuits.  But, I was also told that if I was in foot pursuit, there are tactics, such as remaining to the right of the subject while behind them. Most people are right handed and will not turn around and shoot from their right side, they will shoot over their left shoulder.  Foot pursuits are sometimes necessary, so why don't we discuss those tactics.



Good point there!  Also when chasing someone that has turned a corner (building or such) and you temporarily have lost sight of him, slow your approach to that corner and take a wider than normal turn (to quickly clear) in case your perp has suddenly stopped and is waiting for you around that corner!

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I agree with that, you would really have to study a wide realm of enviromental factors. Rural vs urban, if buildings what kind of buildings? crack house, school, church, etc.. I wasn't trying to be harsh Robo if it came across that way I apoligize, somebody mentioned adrenaline, that is the main thing that pushes a pursuit, foot or car. Main rule? Be alert, ready to act.

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Its easy to lose your situational awareness in a pursuit, car or foot, and get tunnel vision. In an instant you can be on your face because you missed something in your path or didn't see something moving into your path because you are so focused on the suspect. You are in the open, maybe on their turf, and what you do is always a reaction to something the suspect has already done. Staying to the right is a good one, keeping distance - but still eyes on - so other Officers can get close to back you up is good too. You don't have to win a foot race, you just need to keep close enough to not lose 'em and to bring in the rest of your people to shut him down. The bad guy is going to run as hard as he can at first to get a good lead, they always let off some once they think they've lost you, so you can sometimes keep them in sight without running into an ambush. Making sure everyone knows where you are as the pursuit moves is as key to Officer Safety as catching the bad guy.

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Tunnel vision is a big danger.

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Cover, Concealment  and Closure with the supect.

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nikkochey says ...



Cover, Concealment  and Closure with the supect.



also, communication with your agency so that they know where you are, and you have to watch the tunnel vision.


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I agree with that, you would really have to study a wide realm of enviromental factors. Rural vs urban, if buildings what kind of buildings? crack house, school, church, etc.. I wasn't trying to be harsh Robo if it came across that way I apoligize, somebody mentioned adrenaline, that is the main thing that pushes a pursuit, foot or car. Main rule? Be alert, ready to act.



None necessary bro. I did really go into enough of an explaination knowing that the experianced cops here would know what I was talking about. I should have been clearer.

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A lot of great points here.  Off duty foot pursuits are asking for trouble or death.  It's better to be a professional witness with a cell phone giving important info to a police dispatcher. 


On duty, a different story.  Be careful turning corners.  We had a guy chasing a Latin King, on foot, that had a pistol.  The turd turned the corner between houses and went down into a basement  stairwell.  He set up to shoot at the pursuing cop.  The officer stopped before turning the corner (divine intervention) and began cutting the pie.  The pos took two shots at him, the PO dropped to the ground and returned fire....  end of story...Police 1, gangbanger 0.  This happened in an older section of town so the bullet holes are still there.  I like to take new recruits to the scene.  It's a dose of reality. This POS just got released from Stateville Prison prior to this.  Wonder if he learn that tactic there?  Stay safe.


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Another point on foot pursuits.  Think of the severity of the crime.  You don't want to blow out a knee or cause a squad car crash/injury for responding units because the guy only had a nickel bag of weed on him.


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A lot of good points here.  Unless the POS shot a brother or sister officer, I would not pursue off-duty. 

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The MOST dangerous part?  THOSE DAMN CLOTHESLINES!!!!! 


They told (us) to open up the Embassy, or "we'll blow you away." And then they looked up and saw the Marines on the roof with these really big guns, and they said in Somali, "Igaralli ahow," which means "Excuse me, I didn't mean it, my mistake".
Karen Aquilar, in the U.S. Embassy; Mogadishu, Somalia, 1991

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Its easy to lose your situational awareness in a pursuit, car or foot, and get tunnel vision. In an instant you can be on your face because you missed something in your path or didn't see something moving into your path because you are so focused on the suspect. You are in the open, maybe on their turf, and what you do is always a reaction to something the suspect has already done. Staying to the right is a good one, keeping distance - but still eyes on - so other Officers can get close to back you up is good too. You don't have to win a foot race, you just need to keep close enough to not lose 'em and to bring in the rest of your people to shut him down. The bad guy is going to run as hard as he can at first to get a good lead, they always let off some once they think they've lost you, so you can sometimes keep them in sight without running into an ambush. Making sure everyone knows where you are as the pursuit moves is as key to Officer Safety as catching the bad guy.


Taffy has got it nailed here. When someone engages in a foot pursuit, they immediately, by default, become the 'Incident Commander" of this even (based on ICS protocols). So what happens next? The officer foot-pursuer needs to now become the shot caller: Get on the radio and tell his fellow officers what happening next, where the suspect is going, if he is jumping fences, etc. It is this information that sets the perimeter and captures your runner. One thing I have noticed over the years is you don't need to capture the guy at the exact moment the guy runs. You switch into hunting mode: Get a K9, get more officers/deptuties, get an air ship, lock it down, isolate, etc. I have observed that when you do it right, the bad guy rarely gets away.


Lastly, are you mentally ready to have someone run? Are you anticipating it? If you are and it happens, it won't be a surprise and you can respond in a more control way rather than screaming on radio like a little girl ...


 



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As my Tact Team leader and FTO said, "Tactics, Tactics, Tactics, but sometimes in this profession it just takes balls", foot pursuits most times are without tactics.

First friend, i am sorry to learn that your friend was killed.


And i am agree with idée that a foot poursuits are most time without tactics.

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"Dispatch, I'm in the backyard....I was heading north.....I passed a dog...."

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I agree with all of the above, plus the fact that most turds can run faster scared than we can mad..


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Unknowns.

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In our dept for some heart attack do to over weight, the rest, tunnel vision....

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Ambush


dont use flashlight unless absolutely necessary.   stay in the shadows.

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