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Is Over 100 Mph really justified non emergency
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Posted 5 months ago I have noticed that some Police officers drive non-emergency well over 100 MPH in a departmental patrol car. Is this really a good way to portray the image of the department? Is it very professional to blow by a stationary police car that is running radar when he just got finished writing out a citation to a motorist that was traveling 90 MPH and they haven't gotten down the road 4 miles when they are suddenly blown completely away by the non-emergency police car? |
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| Posted 5 months ago Time for someone to go through remedial driver training..... |
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| Posted 5 months ago Go read this article...thankfully this doesn't involve my force. I'm...not really sure what to think....would hate to be that guy though, and you know we've all done it at some point! http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_22702.aspx If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them. |
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| Posted 4 months ago Allen.. are you a policeman? your profile doesnt say...
lets see 100mph in a non emergency... hmm.. we did it all the time for pursuit training out in the middle of nowhere.... but endanger another motorist ..no.. bad idea.. its pretty easy to accelerate to 100mph in a radiocar today.. and brake hard get back down to speed limit just as easily... Have I ever hit 100 catching a motorist... sure... thats why they give me the big black and white and lots of driver training.. would I do it just because I could.. no.. a supervisor (me) would be talking to the deputy asking him why he was placing himself at unecessary risk for no just cause (mock pursuits are just cause when done properly)
Weve had pissing matches with Chippie about this... bottom line.. there isnt a need to formally screw with another policeman.. good supervision is just that.. and stuff like this is minimized through good training and briefings.. if a guy is a spudnut and does it all the time... yep.. a serious talking to with days off can get his attention really quickly |
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| Posted 4 months ago well hey walmart employees get a 10% discount, resteraunt employees eat for free, Flight attendants get free airfare. Kidding aside, it is uneccessary and unsafe and does set a bad example. The old saying goes, to enforce the law you must do first by example. Police Link Forums Moderator PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY! |
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| Posted 4 months ago RexBolo911 says ...
Who??? Being a Tyrant does not make one a Leader! |
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| Posted 4 months ago sgtdemanda says ...
SLOW DOWN...... |
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| Posted 4 months ago We have speed caps that my department enforce pretty tough!!! Those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. |
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| Posted 4 months ago Troll? Who? What? Allen? Where? Huh? Man...I hate being one of the old retired guys... |
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| Posted 4 months ago thp635 says ...
a leo needs to know the limitations of his particular vehicle. i see no problem with them knowing the limitations of their vehicle (on midnight shift). i have pulled vsp from their radar spots and have had them pull me from my spots. i have no problem from any officer getting to know the limitations of their particular vehicle, none. AND...it all depends on the area. cities are different than rural areas. we have I-81 through our area. i don't care what they are proving, if a leo comes through here, no matter the speed, i wouldn't say a thing to them...period. |
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| Posted 4 months ago CHIEF601 says ...
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| Posted 4 months ago I could not figure out if the Allen you guys referred to was THP635 or not. He posted about the local cruiser doing over 100 non emergency. I saw no profile info but I can tell you that he is probably a TN Highway Patrol trooper and needless to say, running radar and speeding are their thing. Always a pet peeve with them and a sore spot. In short: he is not a troll. Probably didnt know whether to put up all his info or not. He can be ID'd by his veh.#. so he was not posting anonymously. |
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| Posted 4 months ago RexBolo911 says ...
And you break my chops?????? Being a Tyrant does not make one a Leader! |
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| Posted 4 months ago i would have to say no LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL PRESERVED BODY BUT RATHER TO SLIDE IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING "HOLY SHIT....WHAT A RIDE" |
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| Posted 4 months ago hcgale says ...
Just say "NO" to speed? |
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| Posted 4 months ago thp635 says ...
You could have pulled him over, and caused one of those multi-agency pissing contest. Those are always fun to watch. lol I'm sure that agency has a supervisor or watch commander to talk to. Then again, are you sure he wasn't responding to a call?? 100mph is a bit excessive, but do really know what he was responding to? |
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| Posted 4 months ago No it's not... 100 mph should undoubtably have lights/sirens going. But like others have pointed out -a trained professional doing 100 mph in a car designed to do so is not the same as an untrained civilian doing 100 mph in a minivan. The general public really does have a double standard though as far as cops doing over the speed limit around here. Sometimes we have to go out to the "sticks" to cover a fellow Officer on a domestic call etc... am I going to do a few over in that case? -absolutely. Does the civilian two lanes over know why I'm passing him 10-15 mph without lights/siren? -probably not unless they are scanning our radio. The same people that will complain about cops speeding are the same ones that will complain that we took too long to get to them when they called for us. An Officer that cuts you off, tailgates you, etc... is in the wrong. If you get pissed off simply because a cop passed you then get over it. I haven't so much as gotten pulled over in my personal vehicle in over 10 years... longer than I've been in a uniform... an a hell of a lot longer than the average citizen around here. |
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| Posted 4 months ago Here we don't have a speeding problem. We're lucky if we ever get up to 30 MPH!!! |
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| Posted 4 months ago absolutely not,, the job has enuff dangers inherently . why create a russian roulette situation?
You can do all things through Christ which strengthens you!! |
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| Posted 4 months ago two words UH -NOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| Posted 4 months ago Good answer, thirdwatchnorth. In most cases, I would say that that kind of speed is not justified. We always have to weigh the benefits of what we do to the risk to society. Still, can I honestly say that 100 mph is NEVER justified. No. There may be a situation that it could be. It would really depend on the circumstance. Again, for the most part, I would say it would be tough to justify. |
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| Posted 4 months ago CHIEF601 says ...
BUMP! |
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| Posted 4 months ago I'm not gonna lie, I like to drive fast and have been just as guilty as most but you also have to use your head with a lot of common sense. There is really no excuse to be driving that fast. This might piss some people off, but not even for an officer assist call. If you wreck out and or kill yourself on the way because you are driving beyond your ability then your not going to help any one. I understand that alot of times seconds count, but it doesn't matter if you never make it. There have been studies done on this topic and in most cities when responding with in your beat/ district an officer driving just ten to 15 miles over the speed limit will only get there 30 seconds to a minute later than the officer driving at break neck speeds. Besides the fact that the officer driving responsibly and reasonbly will be more calm, in control and more capable to perform his duty than the officer pumped up on a huge adrenaline dump from driving at warp speed. We all do it, just use you head. |
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| Posted 4 months ago Let me ask you this: If it's three a.m. and your silent burglar alarm is going off, there are no other cars on the road, and even though my dept. doesn't consider that emergency, would you rather I do 100 mph or do the posted 35 mph to get to your house? I am so f**king tired of people asking that. They are the same ones that bitch there are no cops around when they need one. The reason they aren't are because too many Monday Morning jagoffs questioning what we are doing, or the bluehair I tailgated, hoping she would get her head out of her azz trying to get to your call. If I could ask every civillian a favor. If there is a cop car in your rear view, just get out of his way. Lights or no lights. Whatever we are doing is probably more important that what you are doing. There's lots of calls we cant run lights and sirens to get to, and you are just getting in the way and we are on taxpayer time. |
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| Posted 2 months ago Bubbanewf says ...
I don't know where the Allen reference came from either because his name isn't Allen. And yes he is a THP trooper. He's been a cop since he was 18, and he's worked for 3 departments. |
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| Posted 2 months ago Your post was somewhat short on details and long on castigation. What were the circumstances? Open highway or city streets? Daytime or nighttime? Congested or clear? All those pesky little details come into play when operating a vehicle at high speed. Here's the big question...did the officer have a legitimate reason for traveling that speed (I assume you clocked him on radar) or are you jumping to conclusions. Personally, I have run silent at high speed when the situation demanded it and when, in my judgment, it was safe to do so. Be nice. Be professional. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet. Misery minus me equals humor. I reject your reality and substitute my own. |
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| Posted 2 months ago charlie914 says ...
Why Charlie, he was obviously handling the car fine or he would have wrecked. I will say that if you know where he was going that would be helpful. We all know that there are some things that you don't need or want the lights and sirens on for. Police Link Forums Moderator PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY! |
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| Posted about 1 month ago Allen705 says ...
No the Car in question was from 5 counties away from the county where I clocked him at. It was early morning on the Interstate right about work traffic time there were several cars on the roadway and it hadn't gotten daylight yet. I did not stop the car in question but I don't feel that in any case this is right. We have an image to uphold and when one or two cars do it the image represented is that all police do it and raises question about if we are justified in writing tickets for something that "all the cops" seem to do in a citizen's mind. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago I know thp635. He is a friend of mine. We worked togather at two different departments. His integrity is above question. He is also an intelegent person. The patrol vehicle he is refering to was a local department vehicle. Not a state agency vehicle. It was five counties away from it;s jurisdiction. There is no way the officer could have been doing anything that far away from home that would justify that kind of speed. The safety of the public must come first. Also, we as law officers do not have the right to break the law that we are sworn to enforce. I guess I sound a little old fashioned, and I do not want to offend anyone. But, that is what eighteen years of serving in law enforcement has taught me.
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| Posted about 1 month ago I find no justification in officers driving recklessly. Where I work we have county deputies running through my city at well above 15 to 25 miles an hour over the posted speed limit. Its not all deputies, only a few that give all other brothers a bad name. |
