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Mud divers anyone?
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Posted 6 months ago Yesterday was our monthly dive training. We spent the day diving in a lake plotting the depths and sediment levels. Today we were called to search for a pistol used in a shooting in a nearby town. We don't have any clear water in Mississippi unless it is coming from a water faucet or you're on the Gulf Coast.. Are there any other mud divers here? All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it may be a troll doing an impression of a duck. |
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| Posted 6 months ago Not here. But diving is interesting to me. Question: If you are down to zero viz and you're looking for a pistol in said mud, do you go mainly by feel or do you also have some type of waterproof metal detector...? "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and he is Best, who is trained in the severest school." Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War "Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay the price."
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| Posted 6 months ago yep I'ma mud puppy ....... that's the only type of diving where our perps throw stuff... dark,smells like rotten eggs and the thermalcline runs from the surface down it seems ..... usually go by feel and grids conflicts are not determined by who is right BUT by who is left |
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| Posted 6 months ago Boy do I know MUD!!! Most of the lakes and rivers here have what is called "loon shit" on the bottoms. A nice combo of mud, debris,sticks,rocks, and general crap that accumulates. A lot of people have the misconception that Canada's waterways are clear and sparkling. NOT!! The only time I've encountered clear and sparkling was a body recovery in Wapata Lake BC where the lake is fed by a mountain stream, and glacier melt off. Plus the added bonus of having to add altitude into your dive equations. I've found the most effective means of finding any kind of object in this crap in a tight circle search. A grid pattern is okay if you have the location narrowed down extremely well, and we all know how good observations by witnesses are. Most of the time you can throw your basic triangulations out the door with them. I'm certainly glad you know the Chief of Police Sir!! At least you know somebody that can post your bail!!!! |
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| Posted 6 months ago TheSarge says ...
We are teathered and do a sweep pattern controlled by the line tender. It is only by running your hand along the bottom that you can find anything. what worried me yesterday was that we were looking for a loaded .45. We look for bodies the same way. The suspect confessed and was showing us were he allegedly tossed it. I found out later that the SOB may have been lying about were he put it. Wasted a day in nasty water. All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it may be a troll doing an impression of a duck. |
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| Posted 6 months ago N4Sir says ...
Boy do I ever hear you about nasty water!!! I'm certainly glad you know the Chief of Police Sir!! At least you know somebody that can post your bail!!!! |
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| Posted 6 months ago You have go to love that kind of silt and sediment that you can stir up and come back the next day and the water is still cloudy. That is the composition of the majority of our lake and ponds around here. "Stupid oughta hurt" |
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| Posted 6 months ago Still, here's the question: Then there isn't a waterproof metal detector ? [All of a sudden I am feeling like a venture capitalist with money to invest in something that ain't out there....] "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and he is Best, who is trained in the severest school." Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War "Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay the price."
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| Posted 6 months ago On a good day vis is 1 ft. recovery diviing is always on the bottom with lots of mud, muck, cactus, trees, & swamp stuff |
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| Posted 6 months ago 90% of our dives are mud/muck dives......why can't the perps throw their crap in a beautiful lake with 30ft vis and 80 degree water.....oh wait, I am dreaming of the tropics! There is nothing wrong with this country that can't be fixed with what is right with this country. |
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| Posted 6 months ago I'm not a diver but a friend of mine is an avid one and he gave me a saucer from the Andrea Doria. I think that's pretty cool. Being a Tyrant does not make one a Leader! |
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| Posted 6 months ago lakercop210 says ...
In their pre-crime planning stage I think some of the bastards actually go and scout out the most horrible, vile places to ditch things!! Take my diving in a "well" (SEWER) pic with me coming out. Man I was SOOOOOO happy to get out of there!! Give me a HAZMAT situation with gas or oil any day!!! I'm certainly glad you know the Chief of Police Sir!! At least you know somebody that can post your bail!!!! |
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| Posted 6 months ago TheSarge says ...
Sorry I didn't see your question. Yes there are waterproof metal detectors ($1000-1500). I'm trying to convince our team to get one but we are way under funded. Everything so far has come from grants, fund raising and just plain begging. All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it may be a troll doing an impression of a duck. |
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| Posted 6 months ago Yeah I'm a mud puppy, too. Some water we train and play in is clear just depends on the sediment and how much you kick up. We generally go by feel. We are trying to get the full face masks with com and trying to convince our administration to get the underwater metal detectors as well. |
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| Posted 6 months ago TheSarge says ...
Don't be making any big decisions about investing as of yet!! The Aquapulse is one of the most sensitive around, and sells for about $1600.00. Sorry Sarge!!! There are actually quite a few on the market. I'm certainly glad you know the Chief of Police Sir!! At least you know somebody that can post your bail!!!! |
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| Posted 3 months ago Huge MUD Diver here. The milwaukee River is 0 vis from the top to bottom with 3-5 feet of sludge. We have two water proof detectors but it does no good when the bottom is littered with trash. We also use the tender controlled patters and hardwire and wireless Coms. |
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| Posted 3 months ago My utmost respect to you guys that dive. I could never do it, can't imagine running my hands along a bottom of a lake, pond, etc and not knowing what you might grab. My hats off to you on doing that.
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| Posted 3 months ago I don't like it when you are feeling around on the bottom and grab something that moves. Usually just a fish that's hiding. That kind of freaks me out. All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it may be a troll doing an impression of a duck. |
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| Posted 3 months ago My firts dive for the Sheriff Dept was in a muddy pond where some had possible thrown stolen rifles, al as me and my partner found was a big snapping turtle. I dont like grabbing one of these blind. |
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| Posted 3 months ago We just had a mission the earlier this week where we were looking for a pistol in a pond. The water was about 3 foot deep but when I stepped in, I sank another two feet in mud. We used underwater metal detectors and got a possible contact so, I wnet on SCUBA and laid in that muck for about ten to fifteen minutes digging in the mud. Didnt find a damn thing. But boy was it muddy. Oh did I mention the smell from decaying leaves and cow shit. Lemme tell ya, that was nasty. "He whose ranks are united in purpose will be victorious"-Sun Tzu |
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| Posted 3 months ago Been there done that. We've been searching for evidenc for about a month in the same lake and it seems that the mud gets thicker by the day. |
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| Posted 3 months ago I want to dive once where i can see my feet. |
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| Posted 3 months ago gravel pits are the closest thing to visibility i've ever had. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago mostly 0 viz here, but we do have a few quaries around here. one is kinda famous. anyone hear of the gilboa quary?we have people come from all over the U.S.A. and canada to dive there. it is app. 140 ft deep in part of it. they have a helo, plane, bus and several boats and cars submerged in it.
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| Posted 28 days ago We call it dive by braille because you can't see anything and have to feel around with your hands. We conduct underwater crime scene investigation courses in the Cape Fear River. Lots of tannen from the trees dyes the water brown. From three feet under, looking up the sun looks blood red. Any deeper and a flashlight doesn't help except to see how many fingers you've got pressed against your mask. We've used jack stays, tether lines and pvc grids to systematically search the bottom for evidence. Worst dive we did was in a retention pond right after New Year's. Freezing cold and the water was NASTY!! Never found the murder weapon but another team dove the same pond several days later, drained half the pond, used metal detectors and all the cool toys and came up with the same. Didn't matter because the perp confessed to the killings anyway. DA just wanted the weapon as a bonus.
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| Posted 19 days ago Ahh, the Helen Keller school of diving, all of the rivers in the ares have little or no vis and one river being listed by the EPA - full dry suit and full face mask, some real nasty stuff in the mud. You should try a long cave dive , when on the return trip you find that some yaho has blasted the silt to hell. |
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| Posted 13 days ago N4Sir says ...
It was said already but intel is your best bet to narrow your search area. My experience is in the Hudson River area. A big magnet works sometime unless its a polymer gun or Stainless. The search is best done on a tethered line either set from a weighted buoy where you swim 360 or from a pier or bulkhead where you swim asemi circle. either way you are in the mud. Dont forget tide and current |
