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The great thing is though the Bible was writen long ago, it is a living word....and everytime you read it God will reveal something new.

we are sinners saved by grace....we all fall down but thru Christ we can stand up again.   God can speak to the sinner though reading of the word as well.  It usually comes in the form of conviction.

glaudsoncurado says ...

 

The Bible for a lot of christians is just another book,....the people most of the time don't  understand what the Bible really means.

The only way to understand the Bible, is in a spirit way, your spirit has to be connected with God`s spirit, (by the Holy Spirit)... you have to be without sins...clean, then you pray in Jesus Christ name' so God will allow your spirit to see what the Bible really means.

That`s why a lot of peaple say that, reads the Bible 100 times and still don't understand.

Keep praying, and God will be with you.

I don't agree with your statement....that you have to be without sins to understand the Bible. I'm a sinner and I can understand the Bible. The early Christians were sinners and they had a basic understanding of  what the apostles were teaching them from God's Word.

The only person to walk the Earth without sin was Jesus Christ.  I don't believe that anyone can completely understand the bible.  There are too many aspects that are too cryptic for us to understand

glaudsoncurado says ...

 

The Bible for a lot of christians is just another book,....the people most of the time don't  understand what the Bible really means.

The only way to understand the Bible, is in a spirit way, your spirit has to be connected with God`s spirit, (by the Holy Spirit)... you have to be without sins...clean, then you pray in Jesus Christ name' so God will allow your spirit to see what the Bible really means.

That`s why a lot of peaple say that, reads the Bible 100 times and still don't understand.

Keep praying, and God will be with you.

I've read different versions of the bible, Including the very old Latin version, and I'll tell you why its hard to understand. Its been changed too much. Once the bible was finally compilated, it stayed the same for a long long time. When certain figures (Martin Luther, Henry VIII, John Calvin, Huldrych Zwingli, etc) decided that they no longer agreed with certain aspects of the Church, they started their own churches. Part of this process was editing the existing bible by changing wording/meanings or certain passages, adding some things and taking our others, so that their new bibles supported their beliefs. If you compare the old Latin or even some of the old English translations (Duay-Rheims, for example) with the King James Verision or others, you'll find differences that make you go "Hmmmm...".

Since it sounds like you are and avid bible reader, you obviously know that Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." With those words, Our Lord was inplying that we all have sin on our souls and only a hypocrite would say otherwise. Therefore, what you are saying here is not even possible. Dare you disagree with the Word of God?

Reading in a spirit way? Sorry, but once again I have to disagree. The Bible was written as a testament to the past, a history written by devout men who were granted inspiration and wisdom by the Holy Spirit. It is meant to be read with reverence, but to be taken for what it is. Some Christians base too much of their faith around the Bible and treat it as some sort of all-revealing book that guarantees their salvation. Believe what you want, the Bible alone is not going to be anyone's salvation.

The only good thing about your post is that you seem to have your heart in the right place. Yes, keep praying and reading the Bible. Just don't expect to understand everything in it. Just like any history book, if you weren't there at the time the events took place, you'll never know/understand everything that happened.

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KSP494 says ...

The reason people have a problem understanding the bible is partly because of the original text. It was originally in Hebrew, translated to latin and old english and we try to understand writing from several hundred years ago. The original text (hebrew) will never translate exactly to english and it will always be difficult to follow for some people. If you believe that just because you prayed before reading it that you are without sin you are misguided. Your sins may be forgiven if you pray and repent but they will still be there. You are not perfect.

KSP is right. There are some Hebrew words and phrases that can't be literally translated out of Hebrew. The translators did the best they could when they translated it into Latin, but even then it wasn't perfect. Parts of the Bible were also written in Aramaic, a Semetic language different than Hebrew, which is believed to be the language that Jesus spoke. The only way to get the fullest understanding of the Bible that you possibly can (and even then it'll be lacking), you'll need to learn these languages and read the original text, if you can even find it.

Part of the bible may have even been written by a woman and nobody understands them

KSP494 says ...

SEO says ...

KSP494 says ...

The reason people have a problem understanding the bible is partly because of the original text. It was originally in Hebrew, translated to latin and old english and we try to understand writing from several hundred years ago. The original text (hebrew) will never translate exactly to english and it will always be difficult to follow for some people. If you believe that just because you prayed before reading it that you are without sin you are misguided. Your sins may be forgiven if you pray and repent but they will still be there. You are not perfect.

KSP is right. There are some Hebrew words and phrases that can't be literally translated out of Hebrew. The translators did the best they could when they translated it into Latin, but even then it wasn't perfect. Parts of the Bible were also written in Aramaic, a Semetic language different than Hebrew, which is believed to be the language that Jesus spoke. The only way to get the fullest understanding of the Bible that you possibly can (and even then it'll be lacking), you'll need to learn these languages and read the original text, if you can even find it.

Part of the bible may have even been written by a woman and nobody understands them

LOL, KSP. The Apocrypha have been thoroughly studied and their authenticity cannot be established. Including what you were alluding to with your very true joke. There are some that take those to be just as authentic as the Bible. (SEO shrugs). The timelines are wrong, the stories are inconsistant, and historically there are mistakes. Personally, I'm not going to agree or disagree with these things. I know for a fact how the bible was put together, and I know that a lot of those Apochypha were in existance, browsed, and dismissed. Some were dismissed simply because they didn't seem relevant to everything else at the time. Others because they were contradictory to everything else. And some...possibly because they were written by a woman in a world where women were considered uneducated, lower class than men, and the concept of an enlightened woman was impossible for men to comprehend.

Of course, KSP, you probably know a lot more about that situation than I do.

cwtlady says ...

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glaudsoncurado says ...

 

The Bible for a lot of christians is just another book,....the people most of the time don't  understand what the Bible really means.

The only way to understand the Bible, is in a spirit way, your spirit has to be connected with God`s spirit, (by the Holy Spirit)... you have to be without sins...clean, then you pray in Jesus Christ name' so God will allow your spirit to see what the Bible really means.

That`s why a lot of peaple say that, reads the Bible 100 times and still don't understand.

Keep praying, and God will be with you.

I've read different versions of the bible, Including the very old Latin version, and I'll tell you why its hard to understand. Its been changed too much. Once the bible was finally compilated, it stayed the same for a long long time. When certain figures (Martin Luther, Henry VIII, John Calvin, Huldrych Zwingli, etc) decided that they no longer agreed with certain aspects of the Church, they started their own churches. Part of this process was editing the existing bible by changing wording/meanings or certain passages, adding some things and taking our others, so that their new bibles supported their beliefs. If you compare the old Latin or even some of the old English translations (Duay-Rheims, for example) with the King James Verision or others, you'll find differences that make you go "Hmmmm...".

Since it sounds like you are and avid bible reader, you obviously know that Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." With those words, Our Lord was inplying that we all have sin on our souls and only a hypocrite would say otherwise. Therefore, what you are saying here is not even possible. Dare you disagree with the Word of God?

Reading in a spirit way? Sorry, but once again I have to disagree. The Bible was written as a testament to the past, a history written by devout men who were granted inspiration and wisdom by the Holy Spirit. It is meant to be read with reverence, but to be taken for what it is. Some Christians base too much of their faith around the Bible and treat it as some sort of all-revealing book that guarantees their salvation. Believe what you want, the Bible alone is not going to be anyone's salvation.

The only good thing about your post is that you seem to have your heart in the right place. Yes, keep praying and reading the Bible. Just don't expect to understand everything in it. Just like any history book, if you weren't there at the time the events took place, you'll never know/understand everything that happened.

I'm glad you brought those points out. I take issue with being without sin in order to understand the Bible. I wish this person would respond.

Considering that this is the poster's 2nd post (was there and intro I missed?), I highly doubt they will come back to defend their statements. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. I usually stay away from religious debates because its too easy for the other party to become offended.

KSP494 says ...

Part of the bible may have even been written by a woman and nobody understands them

lol, you are so right my friend.....i agree though no one is w/o sin, the bible is a guidence on how we should approach life and live honestly, but we will always be fallen, all you can do is try to be honest and good and try to do as Christ would do and ask for forgivness, none of us will ever be even remotely CLOSE to perfect and w/o sin

and SEO i agree with you, i dont seem to remember an intro done either w/ this person.......wierd

A lot of very good points have been made here the fact is Christianity is based on Faith the first step of Faith is to believe that the Bible was written by individuals, inspired by God. Historians even biblical Historians will tell you that most of the Old Testiment writings were done well after the events they speak of they were passed down verbally from father to son teacher to student. Oral Histories can be inconsistant. The New Testiment Gospels were writen well after the events as well. Most of the other books are letters to different churches of the periods. It all boils down to Faith. The part I find interesting is that Christ is refered to by many other period religins as a teacher or a prophet, Yet if you read some of Christs own teachings and statements, (the I AM...) he is either the Living God or a lunatic, He himself leaves no room for anything in between.

I have Faith that he is the Living God.

Good luck with "being without sin"!

It's interesting to note that one person in the Bible who was guaranteed paradise was a thief who died along side Jesus.

I think it was Paul who marvelled at Christ having died for us while we were yet sinners.

There are a lot of challenges to reading the Bible, some of which have already been mentioned. I notice that if I read Shakespeare, who wrote in my own language a few hundred years ago, I need Cliff notes! So I am not surprised that I need help reading a collection of books that go back thousands of years, and were not written in my language. Fortunately there are some great tools out there for reading the Bible. Even with them, though, there are disagreements about understanding what is written.

I am more interested in seeing how people live out their understanding, even as sinners, than I am in hearing what they think about what they read. It's not that we can stop being sinners. (If we could just stop, we wouldn't need a savior.) But I think you can feel it when someone is trying to put God in charge of their life, trying to live in a holy way.

And you can feel it when they are just posturing, too.

thebig_d_58 says ...

KSP494 says ...

Part of the bible may have even been written by a woman and nobody understands them

lol, you are so right my friend.....i agree though no one is w/o sin, the bible is a guidence on how we should approach life and live honestly, but we will always be fallen, all you can do is try to be honest and good and try to do as Christ would do and ask for forgivness, none of us will ever be even remotely CLOSE to perfect and w/o sin

and SEO i agree with you, i dont seem to remember an intro done either w/ this person.......wierd

All I can say to this is AMEN!!!!!!

dochudon says ...

A lot of very good points have been made here the fact is Christianity is based on Faith the first step of Faith is to believe that the Bible was written by individuals, inspired by God. Historians even biblical Historians will tell you that most of the Old Testiment writings were done well after the events they speak of they were passed down verbally from father to son teacher to student. Oral Histories can be inconsistant. The New Testiment Gospels were writen well after the events as well. Most of the other books are letters to different churches of the periods. It all boils down to Faith. The part I find interesting is that Christ is refered to by many other period religins as a teacher or a prophet, Yet if you read some of Christs own teachings and statements, (the I AM...) he is either the Living God or a lunatic, He himself leaves no room for anything in between.

I have Faith that he is the Living God.

I believe that He is the Living God as well. And you are correct that it is all about faith. I take God at his word when it says in His Word that, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." I believe the Bible is inspired and infallible from Genesis to Revelation. I believe that God is able to overcome the failed attempts of man to "improve" His message. I believe there is a reason the Bible is the best selling book of all time and that it has changed lives more than any other book in history.

As far as the "without sin" idea the original poster spoke of, I would like to know what is meant by that. We are all sinners otherwise Jesus died for no reason. I would hope he was speaking of the fact that we can be cleansed and MADE holy by the blood of the Lamb. I like to say that Christians aren't perfect, they are perfected (by Jesus' blood of course). In other words, when God looks at one His children, He sees the Blood and not the sin. Just my $.02.

ccso8462 says ...

glaudsoncurado says ...

 

The Bible for a lot of christians is just another book,....the people most of the time don't  understand what the Bible really means.

The only way to understand the Bible, is in a spirit way, your spirit has to be connected with God`s spirit, (by the Holy Spirit)... you have to be without sins...clean, then you pray in Jesus Christ name' so God will allow your spirit to see what the Bible really means.

That`s why a lot of peaple say that, reads the Bible 100 times and still don't understand.

Keep praying, and God will be with you.

Sorry, but I get three red flags popping up on this

1 No introduction posted.  Who is this?

2. From this and one other post by this person, I smell legalism.  I despise legalism.  It makes all believers look like idiots and haters.  Jesus' ministry freed us from legalism, and the Word warns us to never go back to it.  It is the foundation of religious wars and persecution.  Jesus taught a relationship with God, not a religious form to follow.

3. Cultic influence.  Possibly an adherant to "the ONE true form of Christiani