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Combative Subject
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Posted 5 months ago What would you rather deploy to deal with a combative person? Dog, Tazer, Spray or impact weapon. Open ended....... Subject is under arrest on misdemeanor charges for asault and angry. |
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| Posted 5 months ago I CAN'T SAY.....since it might come back to BITE ME........(bite me......hint hint) |
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| Posted 5 months ago I'll take the Dog and Tazer for 100.00 Alex....
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. |
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| Posted 5 months ago pcurtis918 says ...
Beyond fatigue lies compensatory hypertrophy |
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| Posted 5 months ago I meant to say the guy is not cuffed, just facing the charge of assault and he is combative. |
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| Posted 5 months ago whatever means necessary to take control and go home safe and alive LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL PRESERVED BODY BUT RATHER TO SLIDE IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING "HOLY SHIT....WHAT A RIDE" |
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| Posted 5 months ago Just from what I know of this situation I would go with the spray or tazer (preferably tazer no decon to deal with) first. On the other hand if the resisting becomes active and an assault on LEO occurs then I would have no problem deploying my partner and his 42 teeth. It all depends on the state and your agencies SOP, policies, and Use of Force Continuim, along with proper escalation of force. Joey Wesson "To lead uninstructed people to war,
“A leader is one who knows the way,
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| Posted 5 months ago If, after being given the warning, he sees the dog and is still combative, he's probably going to get bit. Many (most?) departments have a policy against releasing on a simple misdemeanor, however assault on an officer has just raised the bar. Just for discussion and not to change the subject; it's recommended the dog not be included in a use of force policy. Odd I know. The dog's primary purpose is one of detection, not force. Fleck has a lot of information on that subject in his fine website. Beyond fatigue lies compensatory hypertrophy |
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| Posted 5 months ago You are correct but many agencies cant get over the fact that it shouldnt be in the use of force continuim. I concur that it shouldn't be. I am very familiar with Fleck and met him at the 2008 NCEA winter conference. I reference his website regularly. The K9 can go from trailing a child to apprehending a fleeing subject. The parimeters are great on the usage. I wont release on certain felonies (NC) such as forgery ect. and will release on some misdemeanors such as assault on LEO. I try to emphasis to my handlers common sense is the key along with articulation. Our bite ratio is very low we have alot of non-contact apprehensions. I like that. Joey Wesson "To lead uninstructed people to war,
“A leader is one who knows the way,
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| Posted 5 months ago jwesson says ...
A low bite ratio is very good. our parimeters are broad as well. The handlers are hammered constantly about using common sense. The last bite we were sued over was dismissed very quickly. Good training record, excellant articulation by the Trooper in court and the use of common sense. The bite ratio was very low as well. I see you are from NC, there has been very little news about the canine program with NCSP, are they still on suspension or are they back in stride? Just curious. Beyond fatigue lies compensatory hypertrophy |
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| Posted 4 months ago Some of you are bring up "Use of Force Conttnuim." Our department was gone away with a "continuim" and has lump our non-lethal into one group. Once I am able to strike, taze, asp or peper spray, I can deploy my dog. The department's theroy is that a competent Deputy will pick which ever make the most sence to use. So back to the orginal question. I dont think I would deploy on a misd. charges and the suspect is angry. Of course there is always an exception to the rule. Assault on LEO, I would deploy my dog. Suspect has already shown he is willing to go above the normal assult. I think Tazer would be the best option. Or just a good knock down fist to cuffs. |
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| Posted 4 months ago I would talk to the suspect like I would to a troll on here which would make him even more angry. While the K-9 was laughing at my hilarious diatribe with the scumbag I would spray the K-9 with O.C. and when his eyes are closed I would hit him in the doggie nuts with the baton. Once the dog is good and pissed off I would tell him the suspect did all that to him for him banging the suspects french poodle, then I would give the dog the tazer and let him deal with the suspect while I sit back and keep from getting my hands dirty??? Seriously though since we don't have Tazers here in NJ and no K-9 in my PD I would have to start with a good old dose of O.C. and then work my way up if necessary. However if I had the option of a K-9 it would probably be my choice everytime I could justifiably deploy him. Of course I would agree with FPD, use the minimal force necessary Police work- the greatest show on earth and my team always wins!!!
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| Posted 4 months ago I would have to say Taser. Less "post exposure care" needed, and probaly wont need to take him to the hospital, as if with the dog or other tech. |
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| Posted 4 months ago Personally, all of the above, but I guess ethically, I'd choose the dog. Keeps me from getting hurt, gives the suspect lasting pain and lingering memories, and I never minded standing there watching the Doc sew up the wounds my dog inflicted on a perp. Support bacteria. They're the only culture some people have. |
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| Posted 4 months ago pcurtis918 says ...
Well as far as deploying one of these options I think dog would be the obvious choice, but me being the type of person I am I'd rather me get hurt instead of my partner so I'd end up using the taser. Pain is weakness leaving the body. Obstacles are what we see when we take our eyes off the goal. |
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| Posted 4 months ago For comic relief.....the O.C. and a swift kick to the nards. In reality, probably the taser. No need in risking the K9 if you don't have to. |
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| Posted 4 months ago bigjohnson304 says ...
Amen, I'd get suspended or fired for sure if my dog got hurt. I can't think of the dog as just a tool, and if it was a person I wouldn't send them in instead of me so I wont do it with a dog either. Pain is weakness leaving the body. Obstacles are what we see when we take our eyes off the goal. |
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| Posted 4 months ago Would love to use my ASP someday for something other than opening windows, but by the time it comes down to the ASP, I'm too close so it's usually OC followed by slam dunk. |
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| Posted 4 months ago I think If I cant lay hands on and get him/her under control I would deploy the taser. BUT !!!! if I had a dog available the presence of the K9 would probably make him change his mind on fighting. |
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| Posted 4 months ago I would go with an impact weapon like flashlight or Baton. |
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| Posted 4 months ago firefly241 says ...
Technically the flashlight is NOT an "impact weapon". Not that it shouldn't be used in an all out fight to effect the arrest and/or keep you from getting injured. It is much safer to use o.c. spray or taser and then handcuff the suspect. Using those methods keeps you from hands on and the possibility of getting hurt. warm regards,
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| Posted 4 months ago Dog, Tazer, Spray, impact weapon & Water cannon.................... |
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| Posted 4 months ago MaeWest131 says ...
I have never liked Tasers and I will tell you why, the Taser is typically mounted on the opposite side of your belt as your weapon. Thats bad placment, I think the Baton is a plenty effective weapon and may deter violent behavior just as well as a taser. Does anyone feel that way too? |
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| Posted 4 months ago firefly241 says ...
I trained myself to carry and deploy my taser with my off hand. That left my strong hand free for a simultaneous deployment of either the ASP or my firearm. It's worked out fine for me, but I do see your point. |
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| Posted 4 months ago bigjohnson304 says ...
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| Posted 4 months ago
I understand your point about the opposite side and how it is bad placement. Ive seen the ASP in action by a Deputy who knew how to use it and it did not stop the guy. I've just seen the taser do a better job. |
