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Racial Tension
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Posted 2 months ago Please read everything before you respond...don't just skim or you'll miss the point and your answer won't make sense, lol. And by the end you'll wonder if something triggered this post. The answer is YES, something did. First, let me tell you something about myself before I ask the 'big question'. I'm of mixed race. My father is black, and my mother is white. My mother is also from Egypt, and everybody knows she's foreign the second she speaks. My real name is Wassime, which is Arabic (albeit Egyptian dialect). My family is Catholic, not Muslim, though people seem to assume the latter automatically. Because I keep my head shaved and I'm of a medium skin tone, most people don't know WHAT the hell I am racially. My accent is gone, although it slips out when I'm really tired or have been drinking. I grew up in the hood in Oakland, California. My mother's family lived in the Oakland hills in a huge $1,000,000+ home. I learned to live in both worlds, and eventually was sent to a boarding school to get me away from all the bullsh*t that was around where we lived. Didn't want me getting mixed up in gangs or any of that. My education was based on European Standards and was top notch. There I learned what it meant to be cultured, how to be a gentleman, and the true meaning of modern chivalry. Most importantly to me, there I made my final decision to work my way into law enforcement and to become a police officer. Yay. Now that you know a little of what I'm about, this is what is always in my mind: Racial Tension I've been talked about and 'given the look' throughout my life for being bi-racial, black, or "Whatever he is...". The same thing for my Arabic name. Going back to Kansas to visit my family always brings that crap back to me. I go to a bar, or a store, drive through a town, or anyplace where the "good ol boys" dwell, and I get it. And after 9/11? Try getting onto a plane with my looks and a name like "Wassime". I've been pulled out of line and searched 'randomly' 6 out of the 7 times I've flown since that day. I flew 6 times a year for three years from CA to KS before 9/11 and was never searched once. Nowadays, when I'm out of uniform, I get treated differently. At restaurants, everything is great until the server goes to run my credit card, then its the cold looks and fake "Thank you, have a nice day" routine. Gas station attendants think I'm their buddy (I know, I know, its stereotypical, but hell its true!). As bad as it sounds, when all the ruckus about Mexicans and Illegal Immigration got hot, it felt refreshing to have peoples attention turned away from blacks and Middle Eaterners for a while. Until people started thinking I'm Puerto Rican or from south of the border! WTF! Having to deal with a lot of this crap professionally has helped me learn to ignore most of it, chuckle at some of it, and just eat sh*t on whatever manages to actually get under my skin. I've only exploded twice in my whole life for blunt in-my-face racism, and both were in my pre-adult years before I learned to really deal. My internal reaction? Honestly, its sadness and a little bit of hurt. And a slight bit of anger for the stupidity of some people who refuse to educate themselves. Its not so much blatant racism that I'm talking about here. Its racial and cultural tension. Not so much hatred, but distrust and lack of understanding. Most of you being cops, you know exactly what I'm talking because you often get the same treatment and reaction due to your profession. So, here is the question, finally: Regardless of what race you are, do any of you ever get treated in the ways I've described above? What goes through your mind at the time, and how does it make you feel? Understand that I'm not looking for debates here, or for people to get all mad. I'm looking for real heartfelt answers and experiences. Thanks for your thoughts. |
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| Posted 2 months ago Don't be afraid to touch the subject |
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| Posted 2 months ago Wassime, I personally have never been treated the way you describe. I grew up in a very affluent neighborhood that is very sheltered as far as reality goes. It's a place where if you are different, the majority knows it. And that majority is raised to think that they are better than everyone else. I know what you're talking about, I just haven't personally experienced it. I suppose the only comment I can make is: Don't let the stupidity and ignorance of others bring you down. It's not worth the frustration or energy. Let them be stupid, let them think what they want. Because in the end, you know who you are and what you stand for. And when you find yourself dealing with situations whewre people are beaming with ignorance, kill them with kindness. I have found nothing pisses people off more when they try to make you upset and you give them exactly the opposite reaction from what they were expecting. Mike |
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| Posted 2 months ago While my response does not directly address your point regarding racial tension (I am of Irish/English heritage, although some may consider this to be of mixed-race), I did want to make a point about your comment about police officers knowing what you are talking about because of our profession. Back in my patrol days we often walked a beat along the Main Street of the town in which I worked. There were several occasions over the years where I would be walking that beat when I would be approached by a mother with a young child (usually between 3-6 years of age) and without so much as a "Hello Officer", she would point at me and say to the child; "If you don't behave that policeman is going to lock you up in jail and throw away the key" (or some similar sentiment). That simple encounter would leave me shaking my head, and wondering what I had said or done to become the "Enforcer" figure for that mother. To me, she was planting a very negative image of the police in her child's head. It used to really bother me at the time, and I soon learned that this was a common occurrence among my fellow officers. I also noted that after becoming a police officer I soon lost several friend that I had been close with all through school. Most of these people dabbled in drugs (marijuana) for recreational purposes and were real party animals. They all assumed that as a Cop I would arrest them, so the party invitations and picnic/barbecue invitations stopped. This was only a small percentage of friends and not indicative of all my friends. When I was working at a police academy with recruits, I would tell them that their new career would put them in a different light with some friends and family, as well as with the general public who made general asumptions about the type of person you were based solely upon the uniform that you wore. As to the biases and stereotypes that people have, it is mostly based upon ignorance, fear of the unknown and misinformation. There will always be, unfortunately, those people who make assumptions about others without taking the time or effort to know the person that they are making the assumption about. For far too many it is easier to fall back on their biases and stereotypes than it is for them to make the effort to learn about other people, cultures, religions, etc. I often wonder how different our world would be if we, as different cultures, just kept to ourselves, and avoided all others. How sad it would be if there had been no mixing of the cultures. The list of things that we would not have is almost endless......music, foods, religious beliefs, art styles, scientific discoveries, etc, etc, etc........ |
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| Posted 2 months ago Okay, I'll start, first it is a two way street, white people get that same "attitude" from a lot of blacks but society does not care, if I use the n word everybody, black and white, would revile me but a black calls me a honkey and nobody cares I spent many years working with a black partner in a black area, if he wrote a ticket it was bad but if I did it was because I enjoyed harassing black folk, a lot of people in the area would look right past me and talk to my partner.
Now on a different level, I am Sicillian therfore pretty dark skinned, growing up I could not date most girls outside the Italian community I lived in, which coincidently was on the "wrong" side of the tracks. Even when folks knew my background I"d overhear things like " My daughter isn't datimg a greaser" ,"don't want that dago in my house".
Ya, it hurt but I had two choices one was to become bitter with the world and lead a miserable life and the other was to rise above the ignorance and live my life my way, so I began ignoring the idiots and making friends of people who were secure in themselves and a strange thing happened some of those who 'hated" me saw that it did not bother me and I had some real friends we started talking and became friends. It isn't easy and you'll never win them all over but a smile works better than a frown!
In my office at the prison I hung a sign on the wall and each time they"d get to me I'd read it "NIL ILLIGENTUM CARBORUNDOM" (don't let the bastards wear you down)! T.G.G. |
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| Posted 2 months ago I think I know what you are talking about SEO. Here in my area we have fewer ethnic groups then most places. We have mainly white, and native american. Of course there are others but those two groups make up the largest percentages. Every time I clear a call or a stop I have to use a Alpha code for the race of the person I was dealing with. Our state tracks what races we are dealing with becuase there are some who claim we as LEO's are picking of minorities. So as a cop it is automatically assumed that I am racist. So much so that all LEOs are being tracked by the state. I realize that is not exactly the same thing you speak of but it brings up the same feelings in me. Just as some assume middle eastern people are muslim, and that muslims are terroists. That Latino's are illegal aliens, ect ect. Some people assume white cops are racist. Even though I count many people of many ethnic groups among my friends. I reject your reality and submit my own. |
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| Posted 2 months ago People will not belive this, but I was born in the south I live in the foot hills of the App. mountains and talk with a southern accent. I'm also a police officer. With that said I have alot of people from other geograghical areas make comments about me and my heritage. Comments, like you do wear shoes or I bet your glad outsiders came to live here so you dumb hillbillys can learn something or get cultured. My favorite is I bet you have a confederate flag attached to the top of your patrol car or hanging on your wall at home, or what do you do after church on sunday go to the klan meeting. So the way I deal with it I tell my self they can't help the way they are they where born this way and they listened to ignorance and would not try to educate them selves on their on. a local journelist here said the best way to fight racial hatered an intolerance was not give it fuel to feed on, but keep true to your self and impart upon them who you are, and not what you are, if but for the brief encounter you share. This gentleman is black and I have the upmost respect for this fine american. |
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| Posted 2 months ago I am caucasian, my wife is hispanic (Spanish) I live on a reservation and was a cop on a reservation. Traffic stops sometimes went like this. Good eveing sir I'm ..,,WTF you stopping me for you snowflake, white mf'er?
I would have liked to slam someones head in the door or their nether parts. Possibly even beat the hell out of a few but I was a professional They went to jail and I went home.. I was embarrassed for the Tribal Officers I worked with and for the good people that I worked with the tension caused by the 10 % makes it hard for all. |
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| Posted 2 months ago I get what you saying...i get the same sometimes in a couple of different ways.....My mother is German, I was also born and raised there, and german was my first language. When people finds this out they make stupid comments such as "dont put me in the oven, or was Hitler your uncle, or do you know any Nazis." Sometimes that pisses me off because i am proud of my heritage and yes i do know Nazis (my grandfather was one)but the shit is uncalled for. Another way I can see your point is when im in plain clothes people talk to me with no respect as in "yes sir, please, and thank-you" but when they put 2 and 2 together and find out im a LEO they go out of there way to be polite and smile and things like that. Third and probaly more close to the things you go through is that my girlfriend is Egyptian (catholic) as you are and people always make comments about being a terrorist and always ask me if the FEDS know that an LEO is dating a terrorist...haha funny funny but i guess thats just the way shit is....sometimes makes me wanna punch someone in the face and see if they think that is funny...but i guess the best way to deal with it all is to let it roll of your back...remember the people in society will hate you and disrespect you UNTIL they need OUR help or UNTIL they were wronged by someone and they want OUR assistance.... |
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| Posted 2 months ago SLICK418 says ...
Slick, My late grandparents were from Germany. Thier families moved to the US in the 1930's. As a child they hid it from me. I never heard a word of German from either of them. They even changed their name to Morgan after they were married to sound more Irish. I never understood why. It is sad what racial tension will make some people do. You should never be ashamed of who you are. I reject your reality and submit my own. |
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| Posted 2 months ago Thanks for all the answers, folks. I've always been proud of my heritage, and always will be. I never realized as I was growing up how my culture and ethnicity would affect my life. Growing up in Oakland/Berkley/San Fran area, there were so many liberal hippies around that loved EVERYBODY, I thought the rest of the country was the same. WRONG! My dad did his best to try to help me understand racism at an early age so that I'd be prepared when I encountered it. I heard and never forgot what he was saying, but it never hit home until my mid to late teens when I moved to Kansas and actually encountered racism and racial tension. I even befriended several 'good ol boys', like my barber and a few others who were racists. They were "surprised" by how I was and didn't realize that non-whites could behave the way I did. Thats what I meant by racial tension and lack of understanding. Some of these guys didn't hate blacks like hardcore racists. They either had bad encounters in the past, or heard some rap music or saw some gangstas in the city or on TV and assumed we're all the same. Lack of understanding, mistrust, stereotype, and quite frankly a lack of contact. I was the only black man for literally 40minutes in any direction. As far as being a cop...I've already lost friends just because being a cop is my goal in life. I'm not even there yet, and its happend. A large chunk of my friends now are either cops, dispatchers, security, military, or in some way working with law enforcement. They are friends I don't have to worry about losing later down the road because of my profession, and are very supportive of my endeavors. I've learned from my friends who ARE cops already, and from working this damn security job, that if I let things get under my skin too much, I'll go mad. Slow temper, fast mind is the key. What I haven't figured out is how to deal well with something that really bites me hard. I keep it inside and try not to let it get to me, but there are times when I can't shake it loose. I don't drink anymore, so I don't go hang out at bars. Its hard to talk to my wife (who is white, if anybody cares, lol) because there's some things she just can't help me with other than listen. Honestly, thats all I need sometimes, but even in this non-LEO job there are things I can't talk about to somebody who's not in the same job or who is a LEO. Either sensitive info, or they can't understand. Thanks again to those of you who answered the post. I already knew I wasn't alone in my experiences, but its...comforting...to actually read the experiences of others. Now, I put the violin away, lol. |
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| Posted 2 months ago It would be my hope that conversations like these would open eyes, I know a lot more read than post, who knows MAYBE!!!
The first step to getting along would be to rid ourselves of race baiters, of every race and to rid the country of black liberation theology with the same zeal we put the KKK down!!! T.G.G. |
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| Posted 2 months ago I am white and was raised in a lower middle class home. I have been randomly selected every single time I went through airport screening. There doesn't seem to be anything random about that but I wanted to put it into perspective for you. I was raised in the south (southern NH) Where racism and discrimination were something I read about in history class. I now live in KY in what is commonly referred to as the bible belt but I have yet to see it as the majority of people around me are racist. It is becoming less and less of a problem as the younger generation grows and raises their young not to hate or discriminate. There is going to be tension for some time as people don't realize that everyone of middle eastern decent is not a terrorist and some aren't muslim or even arabic. Imagine how the Indians, or Hindus must be treated right now because of 911, and they aren't either arabic or muslim. This too shall pass hopefully. KSP494
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| Posted 2 months ago Carlos Mencia said it best when he said,"If I'm in FL I'm Cuban, if I'm in TX I'm Mexican, if I'm in NY I'm Puerto Rican, if I'm on a plane I'm Muslim." KSP494
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