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like to have some information on surveillance society and its impact in day todays life- from a cops prespective.
is their ant laws that govern in united states and united kingdom..regarding surveillance.

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Here ya go.   Is this what you're looking for?   Gee, I hope I'm not too late.


 


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FBI Surveillance Team Reveals Tricks Of The Trade




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Weekend Edition Saturday, July 5, 2008 · The FBI has an entire army of people whose sole job is to do surveillance. Whether they are tracking a terrorist suspect or mobster or potential spy, the secret isn't about being a master of disguise. Instead, it is all about blending in.


Turn on any cop show, and the surveillance always seems pretty straightforward. There are always a couple of guys in a van and maybe another two in a car outside some apartment building. But the truth is, real surveillance is much more subtle.


The Special Agent-in-Charge of the Special Operations Division of the FBI in New York is Todd Letcher. He says if his team is doing the job right, you won't even know they are there. "When a target comes out of the bodega with a cup of coffee, they don't see where we are, or they don't see our people," he said. "Our people look so ordinary, they just look over them."


So, for example, that guy with the flat-top haircut who looks like a cop could be one of the people following you. In fact, there are some scenarios in which the FBI wants you to think he's actually following you. But what you probably won't see is the roster of other people who are with him. Those people, the members of the FBI's Special Surveillance Group team, or SSGs, operate just below the radar — and that is where they are most effective.


When I met three SSGs in New York City recently, they would only talk to me under the strictest conditions. I had to promise not only to not use their names, but they didn't even want me to describe them either. They say that might compromise their mission. And their mission is to gather intelligence for the FBI.


Once the ground rules were set, the trio — Tango, Bravo and Poppa, for our purposes — and their supervisor in charge, Charlie Muldoon, agreed to demonstrate how to follow someone in lower Manhattan.


"First of all, you would spread out," Muldoon says, waving his arms around. "You wouldn't stand in a parade behind the guy."


And, he says, you'd have a team dressed for the occasion. SSGs carry entire wardrobes in their cars — a business suit in case they need to go to Wall Street, gym shorts in case surveillance requires them to go for a jog through Central Park.


Muldoon says he has some SSGs who travel with a bicycle in their trunk so that at a moment's notice they could ride through the streets of New York pretending to be a messenger. "They are prepared for anything," he says.


I pick out an unsuspecting Manhattanite and ask Bravo how they would start.


"We usually key on something, whether a bright color she has on or a particular item that might be unique," Bravo says. "We relay that to other team members so they can see her when she comes to the next corner, so they would be able to identify her."


Poppa chimes in. He says the team would set up some sort of "picket surveillance" in the surrounding area.


A picket surveillance would have the team covering all the subway entrances. They would be stationed at various corners. Bravo, who has been doing this for seven years, says the team would radio ahead with information.


SSGs have all kinds of techniques, and they all have catchy names like Picket and Web or Leapfrog. Leapfrog is kind of what it sounds like: SSGs will follow a target up to a certain point, then pass him off to another group up ahead, and then leapfrog to pick up the surveillance farther down the street.


When operating under Leapfrog surveillance, Tango says, they would be telling the people ahead that the target was coming up to them. "They should be telling us the next movement, so you don't have to run and pullback, and run and pullback," she says. "That's kind of obvious, especially if there is a possibility that someone could be watching you from the rear."


That kind of countersurveillance happened all the time during the Cold War. Tango was a member of one of the first SSG teams. They began as an FBI experiment in New York City in the 1970s. The pilot project was so successful that it went nationwide. Back then, it was all spycraft, like out of the movies.


"Some days it was really like war," Tango recalls. "Push them off the road if you have to, don't let them through the tollbooth. Other days you were right in their shoes practically, making sure they didn't meet the other person they were handling."


Robert Hanssen — the former FBI official who spied for the Soviet Union and Russia against the U.S. for more than 20 years — may be the most famous case the SSGs have handled.


"I think the Hanssen case probably and the movie Breach really, for the first time that I can recall, highlighted what the special surveillance group does," Letcher says.


In the movie, a young wannabe FBI agent begins following Hanssen around. He has no idea that Hanssen is a spy. He also has no idea he is in the middle of one of the biggest cases the FBI had ever run.


The SSGs are often in the middle of the FBI's biggest cases. And Tango says that's what has really changed since the Cold War. Now, the surveillance requires more political savvy, more finesse.


"Every day you just get a little piece of the puzzle; you don't have to get the puzzle all in one day," Tango says. "It's like something builds up to a very long story, if you will, like a soap opera more so as opposed to a cut-and-dry short story. ... And you build on it every single day."


And because it is a drip, drip, drip information operation, the SSGs end up learning a lot about the people they are following. Before Charlie Muldoon was supervising the SSGs in New York, he was doing surveillance on mobster John Gotti. He says he could read him like a book.


"You could just tell by his body language whether he was surveillance-conscious," Muldoon says. "You could just tell by his body language and the way people related to him whether he was in the middle of a crisis."


That's an important piece of information if you are working with the FBI trying to avert a future bank robbery, or even terrorist attack.


"John Gotti's tell was that when he used to get mad, he used to talk a lot more with his hands; he used to be very very physical with his hands," Muldoon says.


Once Tango, Bravo and Poppa had finished with the interview, I was determined to keep an eye on them as long as I could. I even followed them for a bit, trying to use what I had learned. Within minutes, I lost them in the crowd.


Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear.

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What the heck is an "ant law"?

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What the heck is an "ant law"?



And you call yourself a cop?  EVERYONE knows what an ant law is.  That's so simple I'm not even going to help you out here.  Just damn.


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Sheepdog267 says ...



What the heck is an "ant law"?



And you call yourself a cop?  EVERYONE knows what an ant law is.  That's so simple I'm not even going to help you out here.  Just damn.



Aw come on, I used to be stationed in Georgia.  You can give me a hint.  I can't help it if I lost my common sense since leaving the South (1999).

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Nope, ain't gonna do it.   I bet BountyHunter can tell you.   Or maybe not.  I think Chimp ate him.


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 Even though this was on the net for anyone to see, I still don't like that it is now public knowledge.  Personally, I find this to be irresponsible journalism.


Some things are just not for the public to know.


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Agentclick has been waiting patiently for over a year for an answer.  He deserves to know.   Besides, this is the FBI we're talking about.  They WANTED you to know this stuff because this ain't the stuff they really do and if you think they do this stuff then you won't suspect the other stuff that they really really do so they can get away with what you don't know they're doing because you think you know and you're looking for the other stuff.   Got it?  Now don't you feel better?


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 Georgia, I wasn't accusing you of irresponsible journalism.  The author of the article, yes.  You, no.  All you did was copy/paste what was already on the net.  I don't like that it is on the net to begin with.  Misinformation or not.


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 Georgia, I wasn't accusing you of irresponsible journalism.  The author of the article, yes.  You, no.  All you did was copy/paste what was already on the net.  I don't like that it is on the net to begin with.  Misinformation or not.



LOL!  Yes, I know.  But I couldn't pass up the chance to make fun of the Feds.   Have I ever mentioned that I hate the media?


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 Even though this was on the net for anyone to see, I still don't like that it is now public knowledge.  Personally, I find this to be irresponsible journalism.


Some things are just not for the public to know.



You are right...why the hell do they do that! its like when you see the reporter on TV showing how the airport security is still Lax and the reporter shows how he got this or that item in....Hell why not just place the call to  Bin Shithead and tell him how to hit us again!!!


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 You like to make fun of the Feds?  I will duck out now..........as I am in the process of becoming a, um, Fed.


"What intelligence please show it to me so I can insult it properly"~KSP494

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BUMP!!



Not Bump to the article...BUMP to the responce above!!! ^



10-4 I understood as I am sure the other LEO's did. LMAO~


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DocBernard says ...



 Even though this was on the net for anyone to see, I still don't like that it is now public knowledge.  Personally, I find this to be irresponsible journalism.


Some things are just not for the public to know.



You are right...why the hell do they do that! its like when you see the reporter on TV showing how the airport security is still Lax and the reporter shows how he got this or that item in....Hell why not just place the call to  Bin Shithead and tell him how to hit us again!!!



BUMP!!

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 You like to make fun of the Feds?  I will duck out now..........as I am in the process of becoming a, um, Fed.



Yes.  But not as much as I like to make fun of Troopers.  


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DocBernard says ...



 You like to make fun of the Feds?  I will duck out now..........as I am in the process of becoming a, um, Fed.



Yes.  But not as much as I like to make fun of Troopers.  



Bite me towny! Your just lashing out because your patrol car shuts off at the city limits!

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DocBernard says ...



 You like to make fun of the Feds?  I will duck out now..........as I am in the process of becoming a, um, Fed.



Yes.  But not as much as I like to make fun of Troopers.  



A half dozen jokes came to mind.


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 You like to make fun of the Feds?  I will duck out now..........as I am in the process of becoming a, um, Fed.



Yes.  But not as much as I like to make fun of Troopers.  



Bite me towny! Your just lashing out because your patrol car shuts off at the city limits!



You're.   Please use contractions accordingly, ok?


And what part of "I don't work for a city, don't you comprehend"?   See, this is why I like picking on Troopers.   The biggest word they have to know how to spell is SPEEDING.


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DocBernard says ...



 You like to make fun of the Feds?  I will duck out now..........as I am in the process of becoming a, um, Fed.



Yes.  But not as much as I like to make fun of Troopers.  



A half dozen jokes came to mind.



Only half a dozen?  Troopers are always good for a laugh riot at any party. 


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Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious


Ha, hows that for spelling, wiseass!

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Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious


Ha, hows that for spelling, wiseass!



Ctrl c......Ctrl p    Nice job!!!


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What have I started? >shakes head woefully


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Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious


Ha, hows that for spelling, wiseass!



Ctrl c......Ctrl p    Nice job!!!



Don't be hatin! lol

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What have I started? >shakes head woefully



Don't blame yourself.  It's all Agentclick's fault.  Let's blame him since he's no longer here to defend himself.    That's even easier than picking on a Trooper.


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You know, I read where the federal government injects a chemical into your head, it liquifies your brain and then they suck it out of your nose through a tube. Is that true?


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You know, I read where the federal government injects a chemical into your head, it liquifies your brain and then they suck it out of your nose through a tube. Is that true?



Yes.  That's how they get DEA agents.


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 I got to say, this site rubs off on you.  I just realized I kind of ripped someone a new one on another forum because of a stupid question.  I would have never been so blunt before being here.  I was always Mr. PC.  Arggh! I have been corrupted!   LMAO!


 


As to the tube thing, they come at me with any kind of tube, I may have to reconsider.  Thankfully, DEA is not where I am hoping to go.


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N4Sir says ...



You know, I read where the federal government injects a chemical into your head, it liquifies your brain and then they suck it out of your nose through a tube. Is that true?



Yes.  That's how they get DEA agents.



Anything that doesn't get sucked out of your nose passes on down and drains through your colon........that's where they get the IRS agents!

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I'll write the jokes. You just throw in the punch lines.


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Anyone know where I can get tickets to the troopers ball?


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