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Should security be able to signal that they are en route to an alarm or armed response call?

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not with lights and siren no, uness they have been through some sort of state certified emergency vehicle operation course.


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no . Security is not public service. Obey the traffic rules and call the popo.

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But please elaborate on what you mean by signal? And what kind of vehicle would be involved?


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For example, a patrol vehicle en route: Do you think that the law could ever change and security would drive with eighter some sort of light or pop up signal that tells other drivers that they are en route (absolutely not lights and sirens like the Police)

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For example, a patrol vehicle en route: Do you think that the law could ever change and security would drive with eighter some sort of light or pop up signal that tells other drivers that they are en route (absolutely not lights and sirens like the Police)



Absolutely not, it's not an emergency vehicle, the driver is not EVOC trained it shouldn't happen ever. If they want to be police they need to become police. Otherwise they need to call police and drive obeying traffic laws.


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No way,,,,,Never.


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Should security be able to signal that they are en route to an alarm or armed response call?



Yes, pick up the phone and call 9-1-1, observe and report, and thats the only signal they need, however if it is an alarm call, we probably already know and are responding as trained.

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I mark enroute when there is an alrm call on the hospital campus. If I am driving the van I guess I can turn on the flashing yellow lights.

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I mark enroute when there is an alrm call on the hospital campus. If I am driving the van I guess I can turn on the flashing yellow lights.



And that's fine but there is no requirement for anyone to get out of your way and you can not speed or violate any other traffic law.


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Are we talking business hold up alarms?  That's about the only one I can think of that would need anyone, police or not, to respond with any type of  "signaling".


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not with lights and siren no, uness they have been through some sort of state certified emergency vehicle operation course.



Training is the key here.  I have no problem with trained PROFESSIONALS running disco to an alarm.  But hacks will kill people doing it.


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xGTown5oh says ...



I mark enroute when there is an alrm call on the hospital campus. If I am driving the van I guess I can turn on the flashing yellow lights.



And that's fine but there is no requirement for anyone to get out of your way and you can not speed or violate any other traffic law.



I was using sarcasm and it would be quicker to just walk through the hospital than it would be to drive around it.

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KSP494 says ...



not with lights and siren no, uness they have been through some sort of state certified emergency vehicle operation course.



Training is the key here.  I have no problem with trained PROFESSIONALS running disco to an alarm.  But hacks will kill people doing it.



That's what I said, from a state certified EVOC course


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For example, a patrol vehicle en route: Do you think that the law could ever change and security would drive with eighter some sort of light or pop up signal that tells other drivers that they are en route (absolutely not lights and sirens like the Police)



sure....they should have a sign pop up saying they are en-route to a teenager throwing soda at someone it the mall....so I can point and laugh.............or you could stick your head out the window and yell "I'm en-route" really loud


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Security is NOT LEO.... there is absolutely no reason to violate traffic safety laws....getting into a vehicle collision because of an alarm call is a BAD thing.... LEOs get evoc training to help prevent those from happening and even then they still sometimes have crashes... Besides more than 90% of security alarm calls are either false or accidental activations. That's why folks have to pay security to respond to 'em so that LEOs are not tied up chasing down false alarms more than they already are...


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xGTown5oh says ...



I mark enroute when there is an alrm call on the hospital campus. If I am driving the van I guess I can turn on the flashing yellow lights.



 So, if you are already on the campus/grounds, why would you need to turn any "emergency" lights on?  I say NO.

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xGTown5oh says ...



I mark enroute when there is an alrm call on the hospital campus. If I am driving the van I guess I can turn on the flashing yellow lights.



 So, if you are already on the campus/grounds, why would you need to turn any "emergency" lights on?  I say NO.



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Noooooo! I don't want to approach a building blacked out and tactical and have an untrained security officer pull up with his "signal" activated and backlight me or let the badguy know I'm there.  Leave it to the LEO's.  I can't think of a security job outside of Iraq that pays enough for you to respond prior to the police anyway. 

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Like others have said...regardless of his/her training, he or she is not an LEO. In my state, only emergency vehicles are allowed to break certain state traffic laws in response to an emergency. There is no justification for exceptions. If there really is an emergency response needed...call the police. If a security guard/agent wants to drive code, apply to a LE agency.


Honestly, there may be some security personnel who are capable and maybe even trained for it. But there are plenty of others who aren't, and wouldn't be able to handle the responsibility.

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 Not a chance.

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Yeah you can use signals...left turn signal and right turn signal...

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The civil liability to your company, if you violate traffic law, would be huge if you had an incident. I'd say under no circumstances should the security vehicle run code to an alarm.  If it is a true emergency call the police.


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Yeah you can use signals...left turn signal and right turn signal...


 


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Ok this is getting old and in my opinion it was a stupid question in the first place.  Security are not LE, period, end of story.  Sit your post, defend yourself and your charge, and call us for the rest.  If you want more responsibility the BALL UP and go to an academy.  I paid my own way through the academy with college loans and worked a full time job at night to boot.  It was tough but now I am a successful and happy Police Officer.  You can be to if you don't have a Felony conviction or a domestic assault conviction, possess a valid driver's license, and are smart enough to study and learn.


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For example, a patrol vehicle en route: Do you think that the law could ever change and security would drive with eighter some sort of light or pop up signal that tells other drivers that they are en route (absolutely not lights and sirens like the Police)



Buy a cell phone and call it in. Having an armed secuity guard holding a weapon only makes the job harder for the cop. I personally would handle the guard as an armed perp if it happened in my city.


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mar10inla says ...



For example, a patrol vehicle en route: Do you think that the law could ever change and security would drive with eighter some sort of light or pop up signal that tells other drivers that they are en route (absolutely not lights and sirens like the Police)



Buy a cell phone and call it in. Having an armed secuity guard holding a weapon only makes the job harder for the cop. I personally would handle the guard as an armed perp if it happened in my city. There is no need for security at a scene where the police are responding, lights, pop-ups, or otherwise.



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