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Military Police Real Cop or Not?
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Posted 2 months ago
For the past five years I have heard that many LEO’s don’t consider Military police whether they be Army, Navy, Marines, or Air Force, to be actual LEO’s. I would like to hear from the police link community to find out whether this is true or not. Please be honest!
Fair winds and following seas, may god protect our protectors. |
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| Posted 2 months ago From what I can remember when I was on Active Duty, MP's (Army) have the same arrest powers and deal with many of the same type of calls that their civilian couterpart does. The Judicial System is a little different for the Service Member. My niece is currently an Active Duty Army MP stationed in Iraq. Some of the stories I heard from her prior to her deployment reinforce what I remember about MP's. I became certified in Ohio. If I accepted a job in an other state, I believe I'd have to go to an academy for that state. The Military is trained in their version of Law Enforcement. If they apply for a job in a civilian agency, they would also have to go to that state's academy. In my opinion: Yes, I feel they can be considered real cops. In GOD we trust. (All others get searched). |
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| Posted 2 months ago 36TR says ...
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| Posted 2 months ago Well I think that they are real cops. And I guess the state of Texas does also. The state past a waiver to take the state test given by the commission of law enforcement. If you were in any of the occupational skills identified as Military Police in any branch of the services with proof of the basic requirements and $150.00 you get three tries at the Texas Exam to become a COP. So if you want a chance come on down to TEXAS, take a shot at the test and hell go to work for one of the many agencies here. |
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| Posted 2 months ago why is this a question? No doubt in my mind they are! This area protected by 2nd amendment security |
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| Posted 2 months ago Work near Ft. Hood, I have always considered MP as a real Cop. |
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| Posted 2 months ago I have seen similar discussions on other police forums.... bottom line is this....they have a badge, a gun and arrest authority... then they are a REAL COP/LEO....it doesn't matter if you work for some "specialized" unit or entity... the risks are the same and if you pay the ultimate price...your name winds up on the hallowed walls of the police memorial in DC... City/County/State/Federal/Military/University/Transit/(any others I might'a missed on accident) all COPS.... no matter what color the uniform...it's all the Thin Blue Line and the biggest baddest "gang" around (except maybe the USMC)
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| Posted 2 months ago I would have to say yes. I am one and I would have to say all the local and federal agencies in Montana would agree we are as well. I am on the federal side and have responded to homicides, investigate sexual assaults, child pornography, fraud and espionage. My agency has even been asked to assist in joint ops with local and state agencies. Even our military police and K-9 cops have a great deal of involvement in the local area. Local PD have requested our K-9s respond to assist in drug and bomb detection and have been called upon to assist Secret Service. |
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| Posted 2 months ago Hell yes they are! They do the same job the we civilian law enforcement do but it's on our military bases around the world. And they also sometimes get killed in the line of duty. I've know may military LEO's have have given the ultimate sacrifice just as our civilian brothers and sisters have. Are the LEO'S? You damn right they are! |
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| Posted 2 months ago YES WE ARE. It is so good to hear that there are some LEO;s out there that thank us in the mp world are. not menny hear thank so i have seen just as much as most cops have or will. I have been to tripple merders, rapes, DV' s gang fights/shootings child abuse shoplifting bar fights just to say a few all on bace. The Navy like the rest of the forces are ther own little city with all the same problems of the city and state there in, pluse we have to gard wepons aircraft ships. So i thank if you put up your hand and stated the law enforcment oath as we in the Navy do after gradition then MP or City Cop. we are the same, thank you to all that thank we are cops that makes what I do to keep the US safe worth it. |
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| Posted 2 months ago
From my experience during the 60's and 70's, the SP/MP’s that I had worked with did just about everything that the local LEO's did and then some. Civilian LEO's don't get shot at as much as the MP's that I knew, some of them where under fire almost every day. Not only did they do security on base, the investigated what we called "Fraggings", drug smuggling, rape and guarded "LBJ" (not the pres) a very thankless job. My dad worked with them when they were investigating deserters, he allowed them arrest authority in his jurisdiction. I know that a couple of agencies in my area did not allow them to even investigate or interrogate suspects or witnesses nor would they cooperate with them. But that was back during Nam. AP/SP/MP’s are all LEO’s in my book. Shelly,
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| Posted 2 months ago WesternLawman says ...
Yes, your damn right they are! In God we trust. All others we run through N.C.I.C. |
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| Posted 2 months ago You got to look at it this way. the base is like its own city, just like schools, so of course the are real cops, you know some of our greatest LEO come from the MP's which ever respected branch they come from. |
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| Posted 2 months ago Yes they are cops and then some. Probably more so. Wear your vest. Wear your seatbelt. Everyday. |
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| Posted 2 months ago Those of you that have not been Active Duty and said yes, Thank You. There are many people out there who think that we are not. We may not have much authority off post, but inside that fence is our world. And to all the SWAT guys that think we can't do what you do, come spend a year in Baghdad with me, or Afganistan clearing caves. |
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| Posted 2 months ago I say yes. Nemo Me Impune Lacessit |
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| Posted 2 months ago It is the same as being a civilian cop in a simular size city or town. This has been a topic of discussion on numerous occassions, please conduct a search before starting a new topic. Thanks For so long as one hundred men remain alive, we shall never under any conditions submit to the domination of the English. It is not for glory or riches or honours that we fight, but only for liberty, which no good man will consent to lose but with his life. The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320 SCREW TIBET FREE SCOTLAND !!!! |
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| Posted 2 months ago Yes, they are. Trust me, I got a speeding ticket from one when I was in the Army, and I had to pay it. So my answer is yes. |
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| Posted 2 months ago ArmyMP says ...
Amen to that, I wasn't an MP, but I was in Baghdad.....that place sucked!!!! |
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| Posted 2 months ago Well thats where I started my police training, FT McCellan Alabama, still had Army WAC's then. The principles are the same except how they investigate accidents, almost like map reading. Some bases are like small towns, same DV's, Assaults Etc. good old garrison duty. Then things started to change more infantry survival training, hand writing was on the the wall Combat MP's was the new direction. Bottom line is whether you start as a Military Police, Corrections Officer, Detention Officer the experience is good and makes you a better police officer if you decide to be one.
Thats All I have to Say About That!!!!!!! |
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| Posted 2 months ago
I would like to start out by stating a fact. Weather you are Security, Civilian Law Enforcement, or Military Police. They all put their lives on the line for the protection of others and to maintain order in a community. Guys, I feel it is time to come together not cause silly segregation among the Protect and Serve Community. Stay Safe every one.
Thanks,
Gary Keslar Air National Guard Patrol Officer. Gary Stay Safe! |
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| Posted 2 months ago Deputy211 is correct. The great state of Texas will give former military police offficers the opportunity to take the state peace officer commissioning examination, and in addition offer a large selection of law enforcement agencies and departments to seek employment with. If you are a former military police officer, and seek a career in law enforcement; come to Texas and become a peace officer! |
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| Posted 2 months ago No, because they can only enforce military laws or ordinaces. Don't get me wrong I do appreciate everything that they do. I just don't think they are regular cops. |
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| Posted 2 months ago Well, yes and no. I am sure it is different than it was in the 60's & 70's so hard for me to really give a good answer but I can just offer an opinion. Back when I was in service the AP's or USAF police WERE real cops that dealt with many of the same things as a civilian cops does, just on a military base, and they were well-trained. The MP's usually were not always very well trained and in the Army you could find people that were totally untrained just be assigned to the MP's because they needed them. Their job was basically to see that the guys followed the rules, stayed out of certain bars and off limits places and that they were really on pass. Same for the USN's Shore Patrol. Anyone might find themselves assigned to SP duty for a day or 6 months! I was sent to the Armed Forced Police Detachment for temp duty for 6 months once and we had no training. We did have more power than all other MP types with full powers of arrest, even high ranking Officers! I once 'arrested' very politely a full bird Captain who was drunk driving and involved in a crash. Naturally I had to immediately call the Commander who had to call either the Capt's boss or the Admiral, I am not sure which to "confine" him under orders. We also 'investigated traffic accidents, including fatalities and anything that involved US Servicemen while off-base, still we were not what I would call, 'real cops', even though we had a huge amount of power. Now many are actually trained in LE and those are closer to LEO's than ever. Still, they are confined to the military and operate under the UCMJ which is quite different than civilian laws. I consider them very close and rather like step-brothers. I do know that they make some damn fine Officers! |
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| Posted 2 months ago Let me educate people a little on what we military police can enforce before they answer. We obviously enforce the UCMJ, and our prospective branches rules and regulations. But we also enforce the federal criminal code you know title 18 USC because any crime committed on a military reserve usually becomes a federal crime. And also because of the assimilative crimes act the military can adopt any state or local laws as there own. We can arrest anyone we want as long as there in our jurisdiction just like civilian police can. So now that the lessons over please think about your answer before answering to this post. Fair wind and following seas, stay safe, MA2 Wooten, Dustin J. USN
Patrol Officer, NAS Whidbey Island
P.S. The proper name for each branch’s law enforcement is, Army and Marines Military Police, Navy Master-At-Arms, and Air Force Security Police.
Fair winds and following seas, may god protect our protectors. |
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| Posted 2 months ago The duties of Law Enforcement are so diverse and specialized I don't know how one could honestly compare the function of different law enforcement entities with a broad brush. Law enforcement is a pretty self explanatory term, who is given the authority to enforce and regulate is legislated by the governing body who controls the area. I was a local Police officer, and I am friends and work with retired Military Police officers, and they state although the job is different the basic fundamentals are the same. I personally respect anyone willing to enforce the Laws of the land, to protect people and property, it is never easy, and always criticized by the public.Comparing Police authority and powers is like seeing who has the bigger d..k, Everyone serves a much needed and valueable service. |
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| Posted 2 months ago I would like to clarify something about this forum. I asked this question to find out if the police link community considered military police real LEO’s, and not what they thought of them. Like copjimmy106 said “The duties of Law Enforcement are so diverse and specialized” even though we may have different ways of doing the job the goal is the same. Thank you to the people who support us and all LEO’s. Fair winds and following seas, may god protect our protectors. |
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| Posted 2 months ago i would just like to say DJW739 and copjimmy106 are dead on with there statments. To all LEO's Armed Forces, Local, County, State and Fed's: Stay Sharp, Quick, always on your feet, and watch out for all of our Brothers and sister on or off duty. God Speed everyone
Jacob (3 1/2yr Vet.) |
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| Posted 2 months ago sethdcriswell says ...
You obviously have no knowledge of the military or of those tasked with providing law enforcement on military installations so let me educate you. Military Police provide a ful range of law enforcement services to their respective installations to include, but not limited to, road patrol operations, K9 operations, criminal investigations, traffic enforcement operations, crime prevention, and physical security operations. They enforce not only the articles covered under the UCMJ but also applicable state and federal statutes. Speaking from PERSONAL experience ( I was an MP for 23 years), I can tell you that the duties that I performed while serving my country (excluding combat support duties) were almost exactly the same as I perform now as a civilian law enforcement officer. The only difference between military and civilian law enforcement is the size and type of jurisdiction. Be nice. Be professional. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet. Misery minus me equals humor. I reject your reality and substitute my own. |
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| Posted 2 months ago DJW739 says ...
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