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M-1 Garand problems
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Posted about 1 month ago I have a Springfield M-1 that I love to shoot. I am new to this rifle. Recently I have had 2 casings rip in half. The back half will eject and the front half will lodge in the chamber. The ammo I am using was loaded by a friend of mine that I trust completely when it comes to loading. (otherwise I wouldn't shoot his ammo). I have shot around 400 rounds of it with no problems. He shoots M-1s all the time with the same ammo with no problems. His theory is I am not getting the chamber clean enough. My questions are has anyone else experienced this issue? Could it be I am cleaning it improperly? And does anyone have any suggestions to try to fix this problem?
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| Posted about 1 month ago I am guessing it to be ammo. I was training with an agency that was using M 14's and only one type of ammo the cases were being seared off just like you described. Have your friend try a different brand or batch of cases. It could be that the cases may not be sized just right as well. Could be the ones that seared passed the life of the case. Try a different configuration of ammo, whether it be factory or loaded differently. If the problem stops then you know it is the patricular load receipe your friend is using for your rifle. Each rifle not matter how exaclty the same it is will prefer a different recipe from anything from primers, powder charge, bullet weight/type, cases, to Over All Length. You have the rest of your life to solve the problem, how long your life lasts depends on how well you do it - Clint Smith |
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| Posted about 1 month ago Thanks Scurge Small in stature, fierce in spirit. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago Agree with Scurge, sounds like the ammo. Could be brass fatigue. Reloading and firing those brass casings over and over and eventually that brass is going to split or separate. I've always heard the general rule for most common brass casings, is no more than 3 reloads if you want to be smack dab sure of zero case failures. But it's not unusual for brass to survive well beyond 5 or 6 reloads. It really all depends on the type of ammo, how hot it's loaded and grade of brass used. The other likely cause of your problem (especially with a Garand) is a headspace issue. A Gunsmith will have to check that for you. If you are shooting an old Garand this is something you're going to want to have checked anyway. Be safe. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago I shoot a M1 carbine with my reloads and when i miss on sizeing brass i have had this problem . I limit my loads to on more than 3 reloads. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago Not to disagree, I would look at the extractor on those things.
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| Posted about 1 month ago GovMonster says ...
This sounds like the major problem to me. Have your gunsmith check your head space, and extractor. Fire new factory brass through it and see if it does the same thing. Then the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a savior, who is Christ the Lord."
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| Posted about 1 month ago I would tend to agree that it's a brass problem; either re-sizing or (my best bet) fatigue from too many times reloaded. I'd bet a cold one that it won't happen with new brass. Bob |
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| Posted about 1 month ago The brass could definitely be the problem. Also, consider if this is a match rifle, the chamber tolerances are a lot tighter than other guns and you may need to hand load to get the right sizing on your brass. If your friend is not having similar problems with the same ammo, consider the chamber and headspacing. Which Spfd. M-1 are you using? Or is it an M-1A? Go out today and preach the gospel, and if you must, use words. St. Francis of Assisi |
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| Posted about 1 month ago It's most likely an ammo problem. It doesn't sound like the cases are being resized. Try some commerical loading and see what happens. http://gunner777.wordpress.com |
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| Posted about 1 month ago ccso8462 says ...
My rifle is a 1941 Garand. Just plain out combat rifle. I will have a gunsmith check head spacing and start over with new brass. Small in stature, fierce in spirit. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago Gunner777 says ...
I'm leary of using commercial ammo. I am afraid modern 06 ammo might have to much poop. Small in stature, fierce in spirit. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago resgirl says ...
If your having a gunsmith check it over, ask him what he thinks about using commercial ammo. The M1' s that I carried, were all strongly made weapons. If your smith ok 's it, then I try the commercial stuff and see if you have the same problem. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago resgirl says ...
Factory or commercial ammo isn't going to be too hot for a Garand, unless of course your weapon is an old rattle trap, in which case we come back to the headspace issue. The more I think on it, the more I'm convinced this is your problem. You're shooting reloads, which means the brass has already been stressed. How many times has that brass been reloaded (stressed)? Combine that with an improper headspace and you pretty much have the situation you describe. rolbsned65 poses a good suggestion - shoot some new factory ammo (unstressed brass) and see if the problem persists. Either way, I still think it is worth it to have the headspace checked. This is a common problem with M1's after they've had a few thousand rounds put through them. Good luck. |
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| Posted 29 days ago Good info. |
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| Posted 27 days ago Sounds like ammo or headspace. If you are leary of commercial ammo pick up some new brass, have your friend load it. If it's brass stress you shouldn't have the problem with the new brass. If it still happens have the headspace checked. Especially since you said it was an old '41 rifle. But you may want to have the headspace checked regardless. It won't hurt. |
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| Posted 26 days ago You did not state whether is was a Springfield Armory from Brazil or Springfield Arsenal WW II vintage. If it is a Springfield Arsenal it could be headspace or more than likely the gas port has enlarged with usage causing excessive gas pressure. As a certified gunsmith I have incountered two Garands (Springfield Arsenal) and have that problem , that is the reason a broken shell extractor was issued with the rifle. I have fired both my Garands with several thousand rounds and had to replace the barrel because of enlarged gas ports. Hope this helps. "Politicians, like underwear, should be changed often, and for the same reasons." |